First new PC for years, possible spec (I7 13770, DDR5)

Werewolf

Werewolf

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I'm looking at the first upgrade for a long time (still rocking I7 4770k's!), and thinking about this as the basic for a build for myself, and one for my brother.

There is no GPU shown because I've already got a 3070 (he's got a 3080), and we'll be adding at least two additional SATA drives each from our existing machines.

We're going with 64gb of ram as the 32 we used last time has held up, and we're looking at doing 3d printing/some AV stuff as well as gaming (mainly at 1080).

I've checked the cooler and case and they seem to be compatible and the cooler looks like it's ok for the ram (shifting the first fan up), but I'm not sure if I'm missing anything else
The NAS drive is for my brothers build as he basically wanted the biggest possible internal drive for media (he's currently using a pair of external ones, he's going to use the 12tb internal and then use a 14tb external for backup).
The cooler is an air one because we're not overclocking (blasphemous I know), and I have a deep distrust of AIO water coolers, not helped by one of my friends having his one die (pump failure) with the only warning being when the CPU started shutting down due to heat.


My basket at OcUK:

Total: £1,949.77 (includes delivery: £11.99)​

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Noctua NH-D15 Dual Radiator Quiet CPU Cooler with two NH-A15 Fans
HS-026-NC
£100 (incl. VAT)
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Microsoft Windows 11 Home 64-Bit DVD - OEM (KW9-00632)
SW-18J-MS
£120 (incl. VAT)
£108 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
MSI Pro Z790-A WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard
MB-36Y-MS
£240 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Intel Core i7-13700K (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail
CP-6AX-IN
£348 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
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For an Intel build I'd go with a non-EXPO kit, my thinking being that it is more likely to be problem free, this Kingston one looks very similar (64GB, 5600 C40, £199.99), but XMP 3.0. It's also on the QVL (KF556C40BBK2-64) for MSI Z790-A.

If you haven't heard about it, this cooler is a cheaper alternative to the Noctua, THG have an article and GN did a video review:

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The Champ: $41 Thermalright Peerless Assassin CPU Cooler Review & Benchmarks

Sponsor: Thermaltake Ceres 500 TG on Amazon - https://geni.us/8An8nnThe Peerless Assassin 120 CPU tower cooler ranges from $35 to $55, depending on which mod...
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The GX-1000 is a decent PSU, but personally I'd want a newer ATX 3.0 one with a native 12/16 pin, like Thermaltake's GF3 (TPU review, Seasonic alternative is the Vertex). I like the price of the bequiet pure power 12 M, but only the 750 version is in stock at the moment.

If you want to save a bit of cash and don't care about the IGP or overclocking, this is a cheaper alternative config that retains the 13700K's 8 P & E cores:

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £767.96 (includes delivery: £7.99)​

The cheaper board would drop SPDIF, 1 M.2 slot, 2 SATA ports and PCI-E 5.0 graphics.
 
Cheers I'll have a look at that properly after I've got some sleep :)

I think we're probably going to stay with the CPU, the onboard video has proven useful a couple of times (and after the last couple of years I sort of like the idea of having something for graphics if there is another card shortage at the wrong time).
The ram definitely looks good so that's probably getting swapped, and I'm looking at the Seasonic Vertex 850 as a possible replacement for the 1000 watt one, although I'm going to have a look at the other ATX3's.
The motherboard I'm going to look at, but there is an error on the OCUK page (I can add it to basket but not visit the actual page), so I'll check the manufacturers site and poke the store guys ;)

The cooler looks interesting, I'd initially chosen the Noctua because we've been using them and they've proven very good and quiet, but they are expensive.
 
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Werewolf said:
I think we're probably going to stay with the CPU, the onboard video has proven useful a couple of times (and after the last couple of years I sort of like the idea of having something for graphics if there is another card shortage at the wrong time).
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Definitely handy to have and I'd pay the extra for it myself, but I guess if you're buying 2 it would save you 80 quid :o

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The cooler looks interesting, I'd initially chosen the Noctua because we've been using them and they've proven very good and quiet, but they are expensive.
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Yeah, to be fair, I have no idea if they're as durable as a Noctua. The fans look like they're just clipped on and could be swapped if they died, but I'm not that familiar with replacing fans on heatsinks.

Werewolf said:
The motherboard I'm going to look at, but there is an error on the OCUK page (I can add it to basket but not visit the actual page), so I'll check the manufacturers site and poke the store guys ;)
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Looks like they fixed it :D
 
^this

Also consider the thermalright peerless assassin cooler..
I have the dual fan noctua in my main build and the peerless assassin in my secondary PC and to be honest there isn't a huge amount of performance difference, but the thermalright is almost half the price.

Also have a look at Kingston fury beast ddr5.

And for m. 2 drives wd black sn770.

This will probably save you a few quid

EDIT, and PSU, do you really need 1000w? might be better/cheaper to look at a high end 850w.
 
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Ok I'm going to look for the Thermaltake

I may swap out the M2 to the WD but I can get the Seagate for nearly the same price.

I'm unsure about swapping out the motherboard for the cheaper Gigabyte one, mainly because I can't see if either of them lose SATA ports when you use the M2's (IIRC that was in issue with older boards?) in which case starting off with an extra couple of SATA is probably going to be useful.
And i'm going to definitely look at Win 11 keys, especially as I'd like to go Pro again ;)

So current rough list, there are two PSU's and i'm tempted by the 850 (both are atx3 which raises the price a bit), and around the same price. The reason I'm going with a fairly high output PSU is because I've had them go pop in past from too much draw over a long period (I had an Antec die on me in about 2004), and I don't want to have to replace the PSU if we fit new videocards that use more than my brothers 3080 (which IIRC says 750 minimum).

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £2,139.78 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

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The Be Quiet 1000watt PSU looks nice for the price, but i'm going to have to look into it (it's £50 cheaper, but I've no idea of their rep for PSU's)​
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Intel Core i7-13700K (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail
CP-6AX-IN
£348 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
MSI Pro Z790-A WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard
MB-36Y-MS
£240 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Microsoft Windows 11 Home 64-Bit DVD - OEM (KW9-00632)
SW-18J-MS
£120 (incl. VAT)
£108 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Noctua NH-D15 Dual Radiator Quiet CPU Cooler with two NH-A15 Fans
HS-026-NC
£100 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Seasonic VERTEX GX-850 850W 80+ Gold Modular Power Supply
CA-089-SS
£170 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
Corsair RM1000x Shift ATX 3.0 80 Plus Gold Power Supply (CP-9020253-UK)
CA-27A-CS
£175 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 1000W ATX 3.0 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
CA-14Q-BQ
£130 (incl. VAT)
Find out more
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Looks like the spec is getting nailed down a bit better.

My comments:

£200 is quite pricey for a 2TB drive

Cooler wise, the black version of the noctua (i think its the same thing) is only a tenner more, or just get a thermalright peerles assasin so save some dosh. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/noct...cpu-cooler-with-dual-140m-fans-hs-03m-nc.html
But if you dont have a side window on the case then whatever.

The power supplies are interesting, the seasonic 850 is the same price as the corsair 1000... I don't really know the difference between those two. That might warrant more investigation in terms of active/zero RPM fan control and very low load efficiency that falls outside of the 80+ specification...
 
Aye, I can get it cheaper than £200 ;) i'm partly using the OCUK basket function as it's handy to list everything in one place.

We're using cases without windows so looks of the machine internally are not something we're worried about at all, we're more concerned with noise level which is part of the reason for the noctura, i'm going to try and find some reviews of the thermaltake cooler as whilst i'm not worried about a few db more noise, i've had some coolers in the past that were very loud.
 
Werewolf said:
Aye, I can get it cheaper than £200 ;) i'm partly using the OCUK basket function as it's handy to list everything in one place.

We're using cases without windows so looks of the machine internally are not something we're worried about at all, we're more concerned with noise level which is part of the reason for the noctura, i'm going to try and find some reviews of the thermaltake cooler as whilst i'm not worried about a few db more noise, i've had some coolers in the past that were very loud.
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theramlright, not thermaltake

I have both...and theres not a huge ammount of difference between them other than the price. I still prefer Noctua, but if your trying to lower the budget, you can probably save about £50.


www.youtube.com

The Champ: $41 Thermalright Peerless Assassin CPU Cooler Review & Benchmarks

Sponsor: Thermaltake Ceres 500 TG on Amazon - https://geni.us/8An8nnThe Peerless Assassin 120 CPU tower cooler ranges from $35 to $55, depending on which mod...
www.youtube.com www.youtube.com
 
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But also, noctua make a big deal about the longevity of thier fans.... I had to get rid of some cooler master fans as they didnt fail, but became noisier after a few years to the point it got annoying.

I dunno about the longevity of thermaltight fans.
 
I'm still rocking the original tans on my noctura cpu cooler despite it running almost 24/7 for 7 years, pretty much every other fan in the build has been replaced twice.
I'm going to try and go through everything again tomorrow or Friday to firm up pricing and availability with a view to ordering at least one of the machines in a week or two.
 
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I'm unsure about swapping out the motherboard for the cheaper Gigabyte one, mainly because I can't see if either of them lose SATA ports when you use the M2's (IIRC that was in issue with older boards?) in which case starting off with an extra couple of SATA is probably going to be useful.
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I don't believe so, none of the Gigabyte's M.2 slots support SATA drives so it is definitely not shared in SATA mode and I couldn't find anything about restrictions in the manual or in the specs. Intel ark says that B760 supports up to 4 SATA drives and the board has 4.

The MSI board supports 6 SATA through the ports and it also has 2 M.2 slots that support SATA drives (from the chipset), but Z790 can support up to 8 SATA drives, so I don't think there's any need for sharing.
 
Thanks for the replies:)

Ok hopefully a semi final spec :)
Still dithering on the cooler, I like the idea of saving £50 on it, but at the same time I know what the Noctura's are like

Main change is I've swapped the motherboard to a Asus TUF Gaming Z790-Plus WIFI, the reasoning being:
It's got more USB 3 ports.
They're all either on the IO panel, or the two for the front panel on the case (IIRC the other motherboards needed USB back panel connections for at least two of their USB3 ports, not included and they're ~9 each)
It has the same number of PCIE expansion ports as the MSI
It has better audio than the other two models I was looking at (line in is a must, I realised some motherboards don't seem to have that!)
Downside: it doesn't have an easy flash bios button. It's more expensive.

I'm aware i'm possibly being a bit silly given there is a board that is ~£100 cheaper that almost has it, but my current machine has a USB expansion card in it because I keep running into issues with Windows not liking how many USB devices I tend to have connected, so having more ports on the machine, and space to plug a usb card into is pretty much a must (I'm really not a fan of the loss of expansion slots on some boards).


1 X Kingston FURY Beast 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C40 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit (KF556C40BBK2-64) - £199.99
SKU: MY-29W-KS

1 X Intel Core i7-13700K (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail - £399.95
SKU: CP-6AX-IN

1 X Phanteks Eclipse P600S Silent Midi Tower Case - Black - £139.99
SKU: CA-08V-PT

1 X Seagate 12TB IronWolf NAS 7200RPM HDD 256MB Cache Internal Hard Drive (ST12000VN0008) - £299.99
SKU: HD-3BT-SE

1 X Seagate FireCuda 530 2TB SSD PCIe Gen4 NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive (ZP2000GM3A013) - £150
OR
WD Black SN770 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T3X0E) £!40

SKU: HD-3DX-SE
1 X Microsoft Windows 11 Home 64-Bit DVD - OEM (KW9-00632) - £127.99
SKU: SW-18J-MS

1 X Noctua NH-D15 Dual Radiator Quiet CPU Cooler with two NH-A15 Fans - £99.95
SKU: HS-026-NC
1 X be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 1000W ATX 3.0 80 Plus Gold Power Supply - £149.99
SKU: CA-14Q-BQ

1 X Asus TUF Gaming Z790-Plus WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR5 ATX Motherboard - £289.99
SKU: MB-6JM-AS
Grand Total: £1,857/1840ish 1800/1790ish if i go with the WD and the cheaper cooler (my build will be around £300 less as i'm not buying a huge HDD).


I'm going to play around a bit more but it feels like it's firming up. Also looking for a windows 11 key ;)
 
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I have the Asus TUF Gaming Z790-Plus WIFI (LGA 1700) DDR4 version.
Quality of motherboard is good ... no issues so far with i7-13700K, plenty of USB ports, plenty of NVMe sockets.
The only thing I ran into was that I didn't realise that you needed the Wifi aerial to be attached for Bluetooth to work.
 
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