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First picture of actual Steamroller core??

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More details:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...-Steamroller&p=5189789&viewfull=1#post5189789

Comparison with Piledriver:

http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=184378&postcount=902

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35065223&postcount=196

The FPU seems quite beefed up,and it appears they is more L1 cache too.

Edit!!

I do wonder if this is Excavator??

AMD seems to be working on Kaveri2.0 already:

http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/james-fry/49/216/a56

Analysis of the changes:

http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showpost.php?p=184500&postcount=932
 
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Looking forward to Steamroller, if it's good enough I'll switch from 3960X to save some moola.

You'll be lucky if anything AMD have in store for us in the next year is anywhere near good enough to push Intel's current king off the top spot.


Sadly, AMD have been lacking ever since Conroe, or even Yonah hit the desktop scene.

It is a shame as the XP-M and Athlon 64s were good fun :(
 
This seems quite legit and it's a big module indeed.... It seems many resources are doubled:
Floating point: dual 256 bit FMA instead of dual 128 bit FMA.
Integer: 8 ALU's and 8 AGU's instead of 4 both. Dual 32kB data caches instead of dual 16 kB.
Many other resources are also doubled like rename hardware and so on.

That has got to make a big difference.

I will believe it when I see it, but I must admit, it looks pretty bloody good, i'm even getting a little exited.
 
This does look good, but I will likely bite the bullet and go with Haswell. Not sure I can put off the upgrade itch between now and the Steam Roller release.
 
It really would be in everyone's interest (even if you are an Intel fanboy) for Streamroller to obliterate anything Intel have out at the moment.

If they do, will lead to Intel actually making affordable hex core for the masses, which is indeed a great thing :D
 
Doubling the alu's sounds, fairly unlikely as they moved from 3 to 2 from Phenom to bulldozer, its possible, and its possible they are trying to introduce what would be essentially HT, seeing as the move from 3 down to 2 was said to be because Phenom rarely used the 3rd pipe making it a waste.

FPU going from 128 to 256 units is just really expected, doubling the pipelines essentially in each core(I assume it means 4 to 8 per module rather than core), is much less so but would be a huge improvement.

Still the biggest stumbling block was 4 instruction decoder shared across two cores, shared doesn't matter, a shared 8 instruction decoder would still be a massive improvement, though it seems they are going for 2x4 instruction decoder, it still theoretically doubles the number of instructions decoded per module, which will drastically increase the potential for both single and multi threaded situations.

I've said for years for AMD< Nvidia, Intel, the "first" of a new architecture almost always sucks, thats just life, we're talking about such hugely complex cores and trying to predict precisely where software will be 4-5 years in the future when you first start designing a brand new core architecture, and in particularly this architecture was to be the start of Fusion and take them well into full on APU architecture, there are massive massive massive fundamental design decisions in Bulldozer people utterly ignore. THe move towards HSA, the move towards blending gpu/cpu, and creating a software enviroment to test and optimise code in the future for that.

Steamroller always had certain things suggested for it, and it was always going to go "wider" as it went through shrinks, I said this donkeys years ago.

Intel are going less cores and wider and wider, then they will eventually move to octo cores and above, AMD went more narrower cores, and then will go wider and wider, and they'll both end up with wide/efficient/powerful architecture and 8 cores, just a different order these things happen.


As for the competition, no, competition does NOT drive prices down in CPU's or GPU's.

If Nvidia stopped making gpu's and AMD sold theres for £1000, they'd tank demand, its better to sell 30million cheaper gpu's with small profit than 2mil expensive gpu's with huge profit.

Same goes for Intel/AMD, if AMD makes the single best chip in the world, in best circumstances being VERY generous they could only forfill 20% of the worlds cpu needs yearly.... once they are out, Intel can charge whatever they want for CPU's because when 80million people need CPU's and AMD have none, you buy whatever is available. AMD making the best cpu in history would barely dent Intel sales or profits. Likewise if AMD went, it would make no difference to Intel, who currently offer worse value products in basically every segment while only offering truly massively different performance with their hexcore range..... yet they charge what they want, and they wouldn't charge anymore without AMD chips around, because they charge what the market is willing to pay.

Infact they are charging MORE than the market is willing to pay which is why their foundries have been running no where near max capacity and Intel's profits have been down. Funnily enough if Intel was making octo core chips instead of quad cores for the mainstream, they'd be bigger, and the same number of chips would take more wafers and increase capacity/reduce the waste at the foundries.
 
I have a feeling AMD is quite a while off releasing anything that will beat the 3960X.

to be honest id just like something that could give the i5-3570k a run for its money, esp in single threaded performance, to at least put some competition on intel in the mid range.
 
Id love this to be AMD's revival, as Intel need pushing...

Though I think this may be another case of too little too late.

Fingers crossed though.

Im pretty sure that picture won't be steamroller..
 
From what I have read... both the Xbox and PS4 are guna be running hex-core AMD processors... which means that not only will games developers be writing their games with AMD hardware in mind but also utilizing hex-core processors. I would suggest that next year when AMD actually bring out SR... gameing rigs will be better off with AMD Hex-core setups...
 
From what I have read... both the Xbox and PS4 are guna be running hex-core AMD processors... which means that not only will games developers be writing their games with AMD hardware in mind but also utilizing hex-core processors. I would suggest that next year when AMD actually bring out SR... gameing rigs will be better off with AMD Hex-core setups...

They're Octo core Jaguar cores.

Martini is right Beardy, there are many many threads on this issue, Read up..

..and to conmpare a Console to a desktop processor is ridiculous. Firstly, the console ones are custom made and will need to be low power. Where as desktop ones don't.. Therefore they can be more powerful and have mo.........

I could rant forever...
 
From what I have read... both the Xbox and PS4 are guna be running hex-core AMD processors... which means that not only will games developers be writing their games with AMD hardware in mind but also utilizing hex-core processors. I would suggest that next year when AMD actually bring out SR... gameing rigs will be better off with AMD Hex-core setups...


Octa Core, not Hex Core :) http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-future-proofing-your-pc-for-next-gen
 
I have a feeling AMD is quite a while off releasing anything that will beat the 3960X.

It doesn't need to beat it, just bring a decent alternative so I can sell my 3960X and pocket the change ;)

Even if the SR chips can match the 2500K ipc, if there is 8 cores, I would def buy it.

SR 8 core that's as fast as Sandybridge would be amazing. A worthy alternative to Intel's high priced chips..
 
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