First Time out (local park)

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Just had a wander around the local park, looking for sqirrels, alas none found, but I took a couple of some ducks and things

I have done nothing to these, other than change the resolution, so they are straight from the camera.

Any tips, regards composition, or what I should do to them in editing software would be apreciated.

Thanks

1)
Fountain.jpg


2)
swan.jpg


3)
duck2.jpg


4)
Duck1.jpg



EDIT

Should have mentioned, I am a complete novice, so anything that might seem really obvious, probably hasnt occured to me (yet)
 
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I know the subject is a bit boring, but surely somebody must have some tips to help me take better ones

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the composition on these shots could be improved a lot , the 1st shot i find it hard to know what the focus is, the ducks or the fountain? it looks like you have tried to include both but it hasnt worked very well
the comp on the 2nd shot is the best of the bunch, but i`d try to crop it a bit tighter, taking of a lot from the left and a bit from the right, and making it portait style
the 3rd has a lot of wasted space on the left and again could do with being cropped away
in the 4th i`d get rid of the background duck and try the shot from a slightly different angle and try to stop the water highlights blowing out, that or use a circular polarizer

i`d have a read of a few tutorials on the net about the rule of thirds , and the goldon mean, using these basic rules will improve your shots a lot, after you have done that then i would start looking into post processing
 
thank you for the comments

As I said, I didnt do any cropping, or editing to these at all, except change the resolution (for the same of posting) down to 1024.

I was hoping for comments on the photgraphs as they were, not after I had cropped them down and played with brightness etc.

so 1) focus was the fountain, so the ducks on the bottom could be cropped out, that one is easy enough

2) why woudl you crop the swan tighter, wouldnt you then lose the sense of position?

3) well that was my attempt at 3rds rule, idea was the space was to show that the duck (or watever it is??) was moving into space. I guess that didnt work. Again I could crop away some of the left of the frame so to remove the space.

and number 4) I see what you mean about the water, how would I change that, is it a camera setting I have wrong (i am using a olympus c-740, so while it is a point and click, it does have fully manual mode so I can change things - although I havent figured everything out) Also, how would I crop the background duck out, with out losing the focusing duck?
Also what is a circular polarizer? or is that a Dslr thing?

I have read a thing on the rule of thirds, and to be honest Whilst I can see its use in certain situations, I can't see how they would apply to single target static targets.

I didn't want to show a perspective or imply movement (although I did try on pic 3)

Maybe I read but didnt understand the "rule" but doesnt a "you must do this with every photgraph" take the fun out of it all?

Never heard of "the goldon mean" what is that one?
 
The rule of thirds is actually a really good tip :) The very basic idea is that the focus of your shot is positioned a third of the way across the shot. In a lot of cases, this makes a 'factual' photograph (straight forward) into something arty. Give it a go.

I like the 3rd shot, the first one would have been better if the two subjects (birds and fountains) were closer, or mixed. Two seperate subjects here doesn't help the shot :)
 
There are a few good links in the sticky - there is a good brief overview of the rule of thirds and some more in depth guides on composition.

Personally, I'd recommend all the tutorials on Morguefile as it was the guide I read first which I found a huge help.

Regarding your photos, I actualy thought the third one was the best shot, as it is very clear what the subject is, and your eyes don't wander around the picture, and the background is not in the least bit distracting, so I thought you composition worked well :)

If you perhaps cropped the second picture then that could be easily improves too I think :)

The rule of thirds is only really there for a guideline and is basicly a rule of thumb, but it generaly improves the composition and makes it more appealing to others. This doesn't mean you have to use it for every picture though, as it is still entirely possible to creating pleasing pictures if you completely ignore any rule.
 
to be honest, the third one was my favourite as well, I had a little play with editing as well, and cropped out the ducks at the bottom, and the building to the right of the fountains one.

Had a read of the morguefiles rule of thirds thing, and that made bit more sense than the one I read before, I guess like any new hobby, practice practice practice, and hopefully I will get it.


The other thing I was hoping for comments on (and another reason I left the images un-edited) what about light levels, brightness etc


There was another pic I really liked of one of the ducks (the ones with red heads are still ducks arnt then ? ) but when I came to look at it, I saw that part of the background had a twig that looked like it was morphing out of the ducks back, was a bit disapointed, but that is the advantage of digital cams, it doesent cost anything to throw a picture away you arnt happy with.


Thanks again for the comments, it's good to get feedback when you are starting out, so hopefully you dont step into too many bad habbits at the beginning.
 
Bolerus said:
2) why woudl you crop the swan tighter, wouldnt you then lose the sense of position?

when i look at it , the swan is taking up a lot of space vertically, hence my feeling it would look better as a portrait shot

the rest of the shot is water and doesnt give any sense of position or scale, the water isnt really that interesting and so i would get rid of a load of it , if it had lots of colours and glistening highlights then it would look better, also if the shot included the whole of the slight reflection of the swan the shot would give more interest


Bolerus said:
3) well that was my attempt at 3rds rule, idea was the space was to show that the duck (or watever it is??) was moving into space. I guess that didnt work. Again I could crop away some of the left of the frame so to remove the space.

i understand the idea, but it doesnt really show it well, as theres no sense that the duck is moving, and again, theres too much water there for me


Bolerus said:
and number 4) I see what you mean about the water, how would I change that, is it a camera setting I have wrong (i am using a olympus c-740, so while it is a point and click, it does have fully manual mode so I can change things - although I havent figured everything out) Also, how would I crop the background duck out, with out losing the focusing duck?
Also what is a circular polarizer? or is that a Dslr thing?

basically your camera is exposing the duck properly, but because of that, the background is getting overexposed and blown out
you could try lowering or raising the camera a little to change the angle so you capture less of the highlights, or a circ polarizer , which is a filter that can cut out highlights from water, etc- its mainly an SLR piece of kit but some compacts might have a kit ?


Bolerus said:
I have read a thing on the rule of thirds, and to be honest Whilst I can see its use in certain situations, I can't see how they would apply to single target static targets.

I didn't want to show a perspective or imply movement (although I did try on pic 3)

Maybe I read but didnt understand the "rule" but doesnt a "you must do this with every photgraph" take the fun out of it all?

Never heard of "the goldon mean" what is that one?



the rule of thirds is a basic principal , you dont have to follow it at all ,although a lot of shots will look a lot better using it , and some will look better because youve broken it

ive no idea how to explain the golden mean , you would be best looking it up on google

your light levels ,etc look fine, although the shots look like they were taken on a dull overcast day? maybe try shooting at sunset and sunrise on a decent day, so theres more exciting light and colours


at the end of the day, its all a learning process, and the way to get better is to keep shooting
 
If you crop number 2 (the swan) into a Portrate and maybe tweak the levels a little you could end up with quite a nice picture.

From looking at these my tip (and i'm far from an expert) would be make sure you look at everything that is being framed in your shot before you take it. You probably don't have much control over depth of field so be careful not to include things in the background / forground that do not compliment the main subject as they will be major distractions (for example the bird with the missing head in the last picture).

Keep posting your pictures...
 
it was a pretty dull day, we were looking for squirrels, but i think the rain had kept them all away.

I found a thing about the rule of mean, and i knew that of that rule in general, but didnt know what it was called, think i may remember it form my academic days lol.

Looking again at the swan pic, I think, when it comes to editing I would / will (if i do it with these) take some of the top off, I dont think I would take any off the bottom, because that would lose the swans reflection, its a shame i didnt catch the whole reflection, but that is down to untrained eye looking through the viewfinder i guess.

If I took that same picture again now, I would aim to catch less water and more of the reflection, so hopefully I have learnt a little somethign there :)



I did do an edit on the fountain pic, losing the ducks off the bottom just to see, but it seems to have lost resolution quality, so that is something else to look out for.



Fountaincrop.jpg
 
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MookJong said:
If you crop number 2 (the swan) into a Portrate and maybe tweak the levels a little you could end up with quite a nice picture.

what exactly would you do to "tweak the levels" are you just talking about brightness / contrast, or the other ones. This is where I really fall down when it comes to editing pics. I have done some brightness and contrast changes, but when it comes to sturation etc etc. woosh



MookJong said:
Keep posting your pictures...

I would / do apreciate any comments but dont want to anoy people you knwo the "its him posting more pictures" what is an acceptable level of posting pics on here, are we talking 1 or 2 threads a week or is even that too much?
 
Here is a 5 minute job....what a difference!
swanus6.jpg


Raised the saturation slightly and lightned the image a little, not an awful lot you can do with that one though.
 
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