Fixed Penalty Notice

Danthus · 30 Jan 2016 at 23:22

Can anyone of our resident legal eagles tell me if a FPN is recorded as a crime?

George Hincapie · 30 Jan 2016 at 23:29

Yes.

It isn't.

robfosters · 30 Jan 2016 at 23:48

Seeing as you can get FPN's for excessive noise and letting your kids play truant, I would say. definitely no.

pooley · 30 Jan 2016 at 23:55

no it is a notice nothing else, i can see why you are unsure with all the legal bs...

andi · 31 Jan 2016 at 00:11

And that's three completely wrong answers

Depends on the offence. Some are recordable crimes. Public order, theft, criminal damage etc. Some are not.

They're not recorded on PNC as a conviction though, if that's what you meant.

Danthus · 31 Jan 2016 at 00:14

I was coming from the angle of are they issue to keep the crime stats lower.

andi · 31 Jan 2016 at 00:22

OldCoals said:
I was coming from the angle of are they issue to keep the crime stats lower.

No, if it's a recordable crime, it has to be recorded, regardless of the disposal method.

Danthus · 31 Jan 2016 at 00:24

I thought that was the case, just checking.

pooley · 31 Jan 2016 at 00:27

andi said:
And that's three completely wrong answers

Depends on the offence. Some are recordable crimes. Public order, theft, criminal damage etc. Some are not.

They're not recorded on PNC as a conviction though, if that's what you meant.

How so? i can leave a notice to the milkman im on holiday where is the crime?

GolfNovember90 · 31 Jan 2016 at 00:39

A Fixed Penalty Notice (FPN) isn't recorded as a crime, they're issued for road traffic and parking matters
A PND (Penalty Notice for Disorder) however is sometimes recorded as a crime dependent on what the offence is.

Danthus · 31 Jan 2016 at 00:49

GolfNovember90 said:
A Fixed Penalty Notice (FPN) isn't recorded as a crime, they're issued for road traffic and parking matters
A PND (Penalty Notice for Disorder) however is sometimes recorded as a crime dependent on what the offence is.

I am aware of a case where a person was given a fixed penalty notice after a false rape allegation.

Jono8 · 31 Jan 2016 at 09:17

OldCoals said:
I am aware of a case where a person was given a fixed penalty notice after a false rape allegation.

What? You don't get a £100 fine and 3 points for rape.

phonemonkey · 31 Jan 2016 at 10:14

Jono8 said:
What? You don't get a £100 fine and 3 points for rape.

I suspect he means the person who made the false allegation was served with the notice, not the person who was wrongly accused.

Cosimo · 31 Jan 2016 at 10:27

OldCoals said:
I was coming from the angle of are they issue to keep the crime stats lower.

Not done anything wrong?

stopper · 31 Jan 2016 at 10:37

It's just a notice.
Send them your own legal notice and request evidence on how you owe them money so you can build a case against them. (they are obliged by law to provide evidence)
Nottingham city council caved in when I did this.

RaohNS · 31 Jan 2016 at 11:11

They can sometimes recover these now. There was a ruling in court fairly recently on this. It used to be you could ignore all of these except the council endorsed ones.

Type dealing with bailiffs on google and see the forum there

Rexxar · 31 Jan 2016 at 15:30

phonemonkey said:
I suspect he means the person who made the false allegation was served with the notice, not the person who was wrongly accused.

Think they can be given out for wasting police time...

Also, something like a section 59 notice -does- generate a record...