Flat management company issues

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I don't know how many of you are in flats that have a company manage general repairs and upkeep but I was hoping some of you had some advice on how we can sort some things out with them.

I'll try to make this as short as possible.

We pay about £140/month which is a lot at the best of times.

That covers insurance, external repairs, structural repairs, grounds upkeep and insurance.

We have always paid this on time and suddenly they took 2 payments of £160 from us instead of £140. When I queried this with them they said it was because our account was slightly in arrears. I disputed this and they said their accounts department would email me to clarify. That was about 6 months ago and I have contacted them another 4 times about it and been ignored.

We have had damp issues since we moved in and the water is coming from the outside. After faffing about with them for a few months they sent a guy over who confirmed this. He said that he would relay this to the management company and because it was an external issue, repairs would be done from the outside and they wouldn't need our input. Management company emailed us a while later to say that the repairs were approved and they would organise someone to come and do them.

Nothing happens for a few more months so we get in touch again. No reply for weeks. Another email and I get an auto reply saying the person handling this has left and someone else has taken over their job and would see the email. Its a new person so I write a new email explaining everything from the start and I haven't heard back yet. Since the management company agreed to the repairs its been nearly three months and complete silence.

We have had to run the heating and a dehumidifier almost constantly in that time to dry the place out and avoid huge amounts of mould growing in the flat. A pair of curtains have been ruined as a result of the damp and we are redecorating as well due to mould.

What can we do to A) get them to actually sort this out finally and B) recover some of the costs of the extra electricity and the damaged curtains/redecorating?

They are largely useless and I am getting to the point of just withholding payment to them.
 
do you own a share in the management company - have a general meeting, appoint directors etc..? Or are you renting - in which case does your landlord?

The people you're dealing with will be the managing agents acting on behalf of the management company usually unless it is a different set up with the freeholder appointing them or something?

If renting then escalated to landlord. if it is the freeholder then consider taking action against management agent. If however you're a leaseholder with a share in the company then you need to get in touch with the directors or become a director yourself and consider replacing the management agent you're having issues with. Whatever you do don't take legal action in that case, we had some complete **** do that where I live... it is essentially suing yourself as the agents are merely acting on behalf of the company that everyone has a share in.
 
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You've tried phoning them, right. Had to ask, lots of talk about emails but nothing mentioned about phoning or rocking up in person and talking to somebody.
 
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You've tried phoning them, right. Had to ask, lots of talk about emails but nothing mentioned about phoning or rocking up in person and talking to somebody.

I have phoned them a number of times but you never get to talk to the person in charge of handling the issues. They will always "pass" it on and ask you to email your group.

We own the flat.

As far as I know we don't have any share in the management company, its an external company. We have an AGM each year that we can attend to talk to the other people in the blocks of flats about the management of them but we haven't been in here long enough for that to happen.

One of our neighbours has said that they are a nightmare to deal with and she has been here for a long time so I am pretty sure that we aren't experiencing anything unusual.
 
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Just to clarify the people you're talking to I'm referring to as the managing agents.. i.e. some third party company that manages both your development and possibly a whole bunch of other developments

by management company I mean an entity owned by the leaseholders that appoints the managing agents and owns an emergency fund etc.. insurance policy on the building etc..etc..

I'd ask your neighbors if there were any directors appointed at this AGM as they'd be the people to give the managing agents a kick up the arse
 
Just to clarify the people you're talking to I'm referring to as the managing agents.. i.e. some third party company that manages both your development and possibly a whole bunch of other developments

by management company I mean an entity owned by the leaseholders that appoints the managing agents and owns an emergency fund etc.. insurance policy on the building etc..etc..

I'd ask your neighbors if there were any directors appointed at this AGM as they'd be the people to give the managing agents a kick up the arse

Yes, I think thats right. External company manage repairs, upkeep, insurance, emergency funds. That company is appointed by a group of people who own the flats and who are effectively keeping an eye on all the dealings with the management company and directing their efforts.

The company that is doing this is not owned or run by any the leaseholders.
 
I know the agents aren't owned by the leaseholders... but the fact they're appinted by them means there might well be an entity you all have a stake in such as a management company and if there is then there are directors you could contact
 
I will have a look at getting in touch with the people who are our "liasons" with the management company.

Is it likely we will be able to claim compensation for their inaction on these issues?
 
If they've approved the repairs and you're not getting anywhere, I would email them saying that you'll get quotes for the work and bill them for it, including administration fees for you time and effort.
 
I wouldn't, it isn't his building for a start... you can't just start carrying out repairs, what next - decide unilaterally to paint the communal corridor a different colour then bill everyone else for it?
 
I wouldn't, it isn't his building for a start... you can't just start carrying out repairs, what next - decide unilaterally to paint the communal corridor a different colour then bill everyone else for it?

It's not unilateral. The management have approved those repairs, just not carried them out.
 
Of course it is... just because they've approved repairs to the building doesn't mean you can just carry them out yourself. They've not contracted the OP to carry out the repairs.
 
Why? What is forcing the op to pay their ridiculous fees?

The fact that he signed up to buy the leasehold interest in a flat where one of the terms of the lease is to pay said "ridiculous fees"!

These external management companies are the biggest PITA and all you have to do is Google any of them to see the havoc they wreak.

I have no advice whatsoever for the OP as I know full well the difficulties involved in trying to speak to these people or maintain any sort of pressure on them because it would seem staff turnover (or possibly matter handover amongst people) is extremely high.
 
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If they've approved the repairs and you're not getting anywhere, I would email them saying that you'll get quotes for the work and bill them for it, including administration fees for you time and effort.

It's hard enough trying to get copies of documentation from these external managing companies when the files are sat on their hard drives. Good luck trying to get money out of them that they didn't authorise you to pay out in the first place!
 
The fact that he signed up to buy the leasehold interest in a flat where one of the terms of the lease is to pay said "ridiculous fees"!

Conversely, I would imagine one of the other terms of the lease is for the management company to carry out necessary repairs in a timely manner, otherwise what is the OP paying them for?
 
Conversely, I would imagine one of the other terms of the lease is for the management company to carry out necessary repairs in a timely manner, otherwise what is the OP paying them for?

This, because at present, the OP is paying for nothing.

It's not unilateral. The management have approved those repairs, just not carried them out.

What makes you think the OP would get the money back without a fight though? They've already had £140 taken from them and all attempts to dispute have been ignored.

So they're taking money, claiming it's owed and then ignoring contact. What makes you think that they're going to readily pay out for these repairs that they've taken months to sort out?
 
Offset futures fees against work carried out by firm of your choosing, having got multiple quotes for job, unless official service company refund the invoice copy you send them?

These sorts of companies are another part of the "money for old rope" scammers that plague the property market.
 
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