Flatmate issues

EdGey said:
Smoking inside with other people who don't smoke is a big no-no
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Depends, if I'm inside with a non smoker I'll always ask them "Do you mind if I smoke" not all non smokers hate smoking. I know a couple of people who love the smell of golden virginia, who can blame them, it's awesome.
 
Nix said:
If it's advertised as non-smoking then it's non-smoking regardless of who was there first or how long he's been getting away with it.
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I imagine the landlord will have visited at least once since the OP has been living there and it will have been plainly obvious that he's been smoking inside so either the LL should have told him to stop or not advertised it as non smoking.
 
I still fail to see why he has any right to smoke inside when:

1. It's been advertised as a non-smoking abode.

2. His past housemates have protested against it.

3. His two current housemates don't want him doing it.

Who's clearly the asshat here?

Just because the LL doesn't want confrontation doesn't mean the OP can do what he wants.
 
Nix said:
If it's advertised as non-smoking then it's non-smoking regardless of who was there first or how long he's been getting away with it.
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Nix said:
I still fail to see why he has any right to smoke inside when:

1. It's been advertised as a non-smoking abode.

2. His past housemates have protested against it.

3. His two current housemates don't want him doing it.

Who's clearly the asshat here?

Just because the LL doesn't want confrontation doesn't mean the OP can do what he wants.
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Surely this would depend on how it was advertised when the OP moved in?

If it was ok for him to smoke when he moved in, then unless he has had a new agreement with the landlord since then, I would say he's perfectly within his rights to continue to abide by the original agreement.
 
Nix said:
I still fail to see why he has any right to smoke inside when:

1. It's been advertised as a non-smoking abode.
Was it when he signed the contract? which is the only point in time that it counts

2. His past housemates have protested against it.
No longer matters as they're not there

3. His two current housemates don't want him doing it.
Again it's blatantly obvious as soon as you walk into a smokers house that someone smokes inside yet they still decided to move in, that's their problem not his

Who's clearly the asshat here?

Just because the LL doesn't want confrontation doesn't mean the OP can do what he wants.
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Been down some of this route before, if they are up until 3am or whatever playing loud music, slamming doors, etc. the only way to get them to stop sadly is to wait until 5 minutes after they've gone to bed then start doing the very same thing to them... its the ONLY way they ever get the message, no amount of trying to deal with it maturely or politely gets through EVER.
 
Bottom line is, OP is being an inconsiderate ass about it.

The other two housemates are entitled to live in a smoke-free environment if that's what they've signed to.

2v1, I wonder where the least hassle for the LL will be?
 
Nix said:
Bottom line is, OP is being an inconsiderate ass about it.

The other two housemates are entitled to live in a smoke-free environment if that's what they've signed to.

2v1, I wonder where the least hassle for the LL will be?
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Looking at it that way he's entitled to live in a smoke filled environment if that's what he signed up for.
 
Nix said:
Bottom line is, OP is being an inconsiderate ass about it.

The other two housemates are entitled to live in a smoke-free environment if that's what they've signed to.

2v1, I wonder where the least hassle for the LL will be?
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He was smoking before he got there... If people moved in knowing there was a smoker, I don't think he's in the wrong for doing so. The landlord advertised it as smoke free, it's his job to enforce if he wants.
 
I've just had a look at the tenancy agreement which was signed (but never returned to the landlord) in around September 2012.

There is no mention of smoking anywhere, the closest thing is 'it is the tenants' obligation to ensure the flat is properly ventilated'.

The new girl obviously hasn't signed this and has most likely never seen it but I shall be pointing it out in due course.

We never even returned it to the landlord and he never asked for it so I'm not sure how much weight it holds but still, it's better than it saying definitely no smoking.

The landlord isn't the most thorough type, he's a nice enough guy but the reason the flat is so cheap is that he was content in allowing the old flatmates to just replace tenants themselves without even telling him up until him making us sign this agreement and that seems to have lacked any follow up as he's never asked us for it again.
 
Selfish selfblah Smoker.
" blah blah blah, im going to smoke and force you to breath my second hand smoke and have a greater chance of getting cancer because I don't like that you are a bit loud and lax on the chores. Look how empower I am because I have a horrible habit and don't care about killing myself."

That's all I see what you post anything OP
 
Who cares about an update?

Here's one anyway.

Been quiet all day and then just at the end of the night I thought I'd go and apologise to the other flatmate for being involved in a row that must have woken him/kept him up for the past 2 nights.

All I wanted to say was 'sorry for the row' but then he asked what was going on and why it was so hostile (even though he definitely knows) I said look I'm not trying to get you on side or anything.

Cue the girl coming out (didn't even know she was in, must have been sitting in there with her light off) and standing there with her arms folded and then proceeding to stand right outside my door while she banged on about her reasons, mentioning "if you're not willing to back me up" at least 3 times in a horrifically unsubtle way.

I heard him say "I'm not getting involved" at least twice and "I need to go to bed now" about 5 minutes before she'd eventually leave him alone.

She said she'd be leaving if I didn't stop which I really don't care about but it's funny how quick she was willing to whip that out as a threat (like it's so hard to find flatmates in London) before I told her to go ahead now she's dead hesitant to say it because she knows that as much as the smoking bothers her, the cost and location of the flat is a much more preferable situation.

In her room again now on the phone full blast, probably crying.
 
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