@ FOX & Scrappage

[stockhausen]

... I've explained my reasons for asking him a simple question which he has so far avoided answering. ...

Basically because I didn't want a thread in which I was interested derailed by another of your tedious rants.

I either failed adequately to express my point of view about scrappage or you have chosen to forget it.

To summarise:

• I had a 15-year old car that had no safety features at all and was becoming unreliable and expensive to keep running
• I needed to dispose of and replace it
• The Government very kindly offered me more to scrap it than I would have got had I tried to sell it privately
• I bought an Hyundai i20 - with which incidentally, I am very happy
• End of story

Added to this, I repeatedly pointed out that:

• the purpose of the scrappage scheme was to keep motor dealers in business when there appeared to be a slump in the market for new cars
• many 10 year old cars are less safe than modern cars
• the value of any individual car is determined not by what some armchair pundit such as yourself thinks it is worth but by a combination of the value that the owner places on it and what s/he can sell it for
• I consider it to be a good thing if old, unsafe cars are removed from the roads rather than put into the hands of inexperienced, impoverished drivers

Is there anything else with which I can help you?

ps - I probably wont bother

 

[[TW]Fox]

Basically because I didn't want a thread in which I was interested derailed by another of your tedious rants.

Wow, talk about being taken aback by irony

ps - I probably wont bother

Then there is little point continuing. Especially as you've rather mellowed in your opinion since the scrappage debates, probably as a result of it now being clear that you yourself see the value in older cars as you now admit you run one.

Peoples argument, which you continually rubbished, was not that scrappage in itself was a bad idea, but that the requirement that the car traded in must be destroyed, was flawed and counter productive. There are many older cars which were traded in under scrappage which could have been re-used and recycled. You will now know that many 12 year old cars provide perfect service - cars like your Toyota. Had you traded that in for your i20, would you have been happy to see it crushed or would you rather it was sold on to somebody less fortunate than yourself?

The reason why I brought this up in your other thread was because lots of us underwent continued frustration 'fighting' against your opinions in the scrappage threads. To then find out a year later you actually own an older car yourself is just.. well, a massive facepalm.

 

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consider it to be a good thing if old, unsafe cars are removed from the roads rather than put into the hands of inexperienced, impoverished drivers

Is there anything else with which I can help you?

ps - I probably wont bother

So you ultimately decide that cars if a certain age should be off the road as they are deathtraps. Cool bro.

What a stupid thing to say, hey, some guy in a dilution i20 ie as much of a risk as anyone else.

Maybe just let go rather than trying to justify yourself to someone on the internet and ending up looking a bit like a whining child.

 

[arknor]

so what car was it and why couldnt you just email him in trust?

 

[jon.bda]

Peoples argument, which you continually rubbished, was not that scrappage in itself was a bad idea, but that the requirement that the car traded in must be destroyed, was flawed and counter productive. There are many older cars which were traded in under scrappage which could have been re-used and recycled

One of the breakers we use at work seems to have a lot of stock that have come via the scrappage scheme...seems bloody stupid to me, the condition of a lot of the vehicles you see there is better than a lot of what our customers are driving around in!!!

 

[[TW]Fox]

One of the breakers we use at work seems to have a lot of stock that have come via the scrappage scheme...seems bloody stupid to me, the condition of a lot of the vehicles you see there is better than a lot of what our customers are driving around in!!!

It was stupid - it made the assumption that the only part of the motor trade that needed a boost was the new car sales.

What about the other end of the market - garages like yours, used car sales, etc etc. They all suffered but all Scrappage did for them was reduce the number of older cars on the road for garages and dealers to sell and repair!

It was so flawed. And stockhausens continually smug 'all old cars are horrible, my new Hyundai is lovely' posts just wound everyone up.

 

[Joshy]

I'm just going to pick on a few points

the purpose of the scrappage scheme was to keep motor dealers in business when there appeared to be a slump in the market for new cars

And what about all of the auction houses, second hand car dealers, back street garages, etc that are all going to suffer because thousands upon thousands of perfectly serviceable cars will not pass through their hands? Saying it was done for the good of the motor industry doesn't fly with me.

Hell, didn't the VAST majority of scrappage sales go to the Koreans? Helping the British motor industry my **** .

many 10 year old cars are less safe than modern cars

So? That doesn't mean the 10 year old cars are death traps, does it?

I consider it to be a good thing if old, unsafe cars are removed from the roads rather than put into the hands of inexperienced, impoverished drivers

Are you seriously saying you consider it a good thing that young (inexperienced) and poor (impoverished) people go put themselves in a couple of grands worth of debt in order to buy and drive around in a rubbish car because it is marginally safer?

 

[mjt]

Basically because I didn't want a thread in which I was interested derailed by another of your tedious rants.

You're either a very funny man or an idiot.

 

[gillywibble]

/popcorn

 

[Dup]

This thread reminds me of Mad Dog Tannon calling out Marty 'Clint Eastwood' McFly, and we should know how that ends.

 

[Tute]

ps - I probably wont bother

So you're admitting to starting a trolling thread?

I shouldn't be surprised - given some of the stuff you post in SC, this thread is pretty much par for the course.

 

[Flukester]

I'm quite jealous of ops i20, one day

Btw, Hyundai do make nice little run arounds huh ?

 

[snowdog]

Kinda confirms my view of ya, obsessed by safety and the rules and doesn't care about driving at all except going from a to b... I hope I'll never be that way, even in 50 years...

 

[monkey_boy]

lol. Motors needs a Fox-hating subforum where the OP and Robbie G can post gifs of burning fox efigies.

 

[Joshy]

It really does seem like the people who go for these Hyundai/Kia things are a little odd breed who are obsessed with seemingly really unimportant things. A prime example is one of our techs who recently bought a new Hyundai I30 (It's the "Edition" model - He won't let anyone forget that ). I swear the leading selling point for this £13,000 car was the fact he only has to pay £30 road tax .

Similar things they'll bang on about - "Safety" (Yes, it's important but stop implying that it means other older cars are death traps), Fuel economy (even though you do tiny annual mileage and/or loads of city miles) and a million year extended warranty (buy a car that doesn't break then! ).

I noticed a very sad thing the other week when I was at training. The tea break discussion between us apprentices about our cars wasn't about who had the bragging rights with the most BHP or quickest 0-60 or highest Top Speed (I'd have em trounced anyway ), it was about who returned the most MPG on the journey to the training centre, and what's the best diesel car you can get for £3000. At that point I really I had to ask myself what are we coming to as a motoring society? .

 

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I noticed a very sad thing the other week when I was at training. The tea break discussion between us apprentices about our cars wasn't about who had the bragging rights with the most BHP or quickest 0-60 or highest Top Speed (I'd have em trounced anyway ), it was about who returned the most MPG on the journey to the training centre, and what's the best diesel car you can get for £3000. At that point I really I had to ask myself what are we coming to as a motoring society? .

Well the plus point is more women left for us men

 

[Kutter]

so my W reg ( 2000 ) Honda Hr-v was a death trap was it ? It qualified for the scrappage scheme, im sure the woman who's driving it now will be happy to hear that.

 

[NathanE]

@OP: See the sticky about trolly snipeful posts.