Friend found religion...

ringo747 said:
Classical OCUK responses. Everywhere in this forum you will find responses claiming that religion causes so many problems and is the source of evil. The first reply in this thread suggests assaulting the said individual? Live and let live seems to only work one way.

It is his life and he can believe whatever he wants. It isn't a strange thing for people to follow religion in a Christian country you know. Some folks actually look into a faith and the historical evidences that may back it up rather than the typical OCUK response of 'lol religion'.

I won't be forcing my beliefs down anyone else's throat but it seems that the OCUK anti-religion brigade have a stronger conviction than religious people.
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lol wut?

Please enlighten me with some of this historical evidence.

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fez said:
I think that you will find that the da vinci code is actually based on more history than the bible and most of its provable. I couldn't care less if someone is religious but when they try and explain to me why I should believe I tend to switch off.

I assume that you think people who believe they are Jedi's are perfectly normal.
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The foundation of the Christian faith is the resurrection and it is one of the most widely attested things mentioned in the Bible - another topic though.

Christians are instructed to tell the message to other people. I don't believe for one moment that this involves ****ging anyone off and forcing anything. Christianity isn't something that anyone should be forced into - it is a conscious decision to seek after 'salvation'.

All these blurry definitions of Christianity don't help things though - the group mentioned in the OP could well be some group with very odd views on the Bible, maybe even denying the lordship of Jesus, but yet tarnish the name of Christians.
 
In fact I think we need a select committee.

Everyone in this thread, except ringo because s/he's insufferable, should get invited to one of these cult.... sorry 'christian' meetings you friend attends and troll the holy ghost out of it.
 
ringo747 said:
To a Christian it is more than a book of fiction. It has to be given at least a bit of credibility given the fact that some of the stuff in it is backed up by other historical accounts.
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And Harry Potter has parts which are based in real locations in England, does that mean it should be taken as anything more than a completely fictional story? :rolleyes:
 
fez said:
Did you miss the part of the OP where he said that the friend is acting like a complete **** towards him and judging him based on his just found nutty groups views. I don't think anyone here has a problem with those that are religious but most also get a little miffed when someone is preaching ******* to them as if it is anything more than a work of fiction.
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This is the vital point! He's only annoyed because the guy is treating him like a ****. His issue is not with the religion but entirely with the friend's change in personality, which, based on what the OP has said, is due to his religious fanaticism. I think he's simply wanting to ask the guy to moderate his beliefs so his friend is less offensive.
 
Vidar said:
point is I'm concerned and want to help my friend get a grip on reality again but I have no idea where to begin as he is so very very touchy over it!

Have any of you ever come across anything like this?
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I was brought up in this kind of environment. If he really has gone down this path then he will not listen to reason no matter how well its presented or sound the logic. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Only hope really is that he notices the hypocrisy - about 70% of these people will preach one thing, practise another when they think no ones noticing - and wake up to the reality.

I'd be quite upfront that your not interested in it and don't want your family involved in it or he and others from the group will probably keep bothering you about it.

While I have no idea if God exists or not I'm fairly against religion as I know from experience that most of these "Christian" gatherings in the UK and other parts of the world are little different from sects/cults and no closer to God than other closed minded, irrational gathering of people based around an ideology.
 
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ringo747 said:
Does it claim to be anything more than fiction? Does other historians attest facts which are stated therein?
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I'm sure there are some nutters out there who believe it is real.
And I don't need historians to attest to the fact there is a city in England called "London". I've been there, as I'm sure many other members have. ;)

Edit: In direct answer to the title of the OP, tell him to put it back where he found it! :p
 
Sorry but that story made me laugh.

You cant get through to people like that (hardcore / I'm right, you're wrong religious people). Just giggle and move on!
 
ringo747 said:
Classical OCUK responses. Everywhere in this forum you will find responses claiming that religion causes so many problems and is the source of evil. The first reply in this thread suggests assaulting the said individual? Live and let live seems to only work one way.

It is his life and he can believe whatever he wants. It isn't a strange thing for people to follow religion in a Christian country you know. Some folks actually look into a faith and the historical evidences that may back it up rather than the typical OCUK response of 'lol religion'.

I won't be forcing my beliefs down anyone else's throat but it seems that the OCUK anti-religion brigade have a stronger conviction than religious people.
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But punch him in the face gets the point across.

Checking if he's a witch is also a sensible course of action.

Pooing in the Christians letter box could help too! There are so many solutions that you can't just read them in a linear order....
 
ringo747 said:
Does it claim to be anything more than fiction? Does other historians attest facts which are stated therein?
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Just because a book claims to be a "religious text" doesn't give it any more credence than any other book.

Personally, if I was writing a religious text now, I would be tempted to name drop some recent events and places otherwise people might think I was crazy.

There is no, and I mean no evidence for the christian religion being based on anything that is real. There is no proof of god, jesus, resurrection or the miracles performed.
 
Stoner81 said:
Religion is pretty much the sole cause of war in the world and is one of the main sources of stupidity.
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I think you'll find that humans are the sole cause of wars. Some wars may have been undertaken in the name of religion historically but face facts, humans like a good scrap and if it wasn't for reason A it would be for reason B.
 
ringo747 said:
Classical OCUK responses. Everywhere in this forum you will find responses claiming that religion causes so many problems and is the source of evil. The first reply in this thread suggests assaulting the said individual? Live and let live seems to only work one way.

It is his life and he can believe whatever he wants. It isn't a strange thing for people to follow religion in a Christian country you know. Some folks actually look into a faith and the historical evidences that may back it up rather than the typical OCUK response of 'lol religion'.

I won't be forcing my beliefs down anyone else's throat but it seems that the OCUK anti-religion brigade have a stronger conviction than religious people.
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Just because you don't agree with the tongue in cheek typical OcUK comments, doesn't mean you should take the diametrically opposite view.

Clearly his friend is being suckered in here, and he's asking for advice from people on how to approach the subject.

Personally I'd invite him round, tell him it's for a chat, and have a good old argument about it, then let him stew on it and see. Ultimately I don't expect it to be successful, however when he starts to doubt the religious nonsense it'll help then.
 
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