FTTP: What is the fastest I can order?

MG42Maniac

MG42Maniac

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Hi All,

I've been with Virgin Media for years so still getting my head around other ISPs and the technologies used. My partner and I are moving into a new build at the end of June. I know BT offer Ultrafast on the development as a friend already has it. Openreach seem to suggest that the line is capable of more, it's just BT/Zen will only offer up to 330/50. The postcode is SO16 0BJ, any house number under 26. I'd be over the moon with 330/50 but would snap up 500/150 is it's available. Anyone know a better way of checking?

Thanks!
 
I'm in a similar boat. We've had 330/30 for almost 3 years now with no indication of any upgrade in speed coming despite the line being capable.

Interested too to see if anyone has any new links.

Have to say it's been great we've not had a single drop out and I've not see a speed test under 280 dl
 
You're going to struggle. FTTP availability is literally 3% of the UK, the uptake is a tiny fraction of that, out of that tiny fraction, subscribers who are interested in taking faster profiles are even smaller. The focus is very much on rolling out FTTP to a larger number of premises quickly, after that happens i'd imagine the demand for faster profiles will lead to them being made available by the ISP's, till then many don't even offer FTTP, it's just not commercially viable for them to bother.
 
Interesting, thanks for the information! That makes sense, it's all about money at the end of the day :p. 330/50 will be a decent boost from what we have at the moment so I will consider myself lucky!
 
I am into my third year of 330 now, cant really see the need for more, but if it was available I would most likely get it :P

Looking to move though, and i am dreading going back to normal speeds :(
 
I just find it a bit weird that a line is put in that is apparently capable of 1Gbps but the most you can get is 330Mbps. I guess I will have future speed upgrades to look forward to!
 
MG42Maniac said:
I just find it a bit weird that a line is put in that is apparently capable of 1Gbps but the most you can get is 330Mbps. I guess I will have future speed upgrades to look forward to!
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While not really the case with a full fibre product there will be considerations for things like crosstalk on products using ADSL/VDSL and more pertinent in this case things like the back haul infrastructure both hardware and software, etc. which will need to improve over time to fully support a lot of users at those kind of speeds versus a smaller number of initial uptake.
 
Openreach announced pricing for the 500mbit and 1gbit services last year... I'm surprised they're not order-able yet.

... strokes my 1000/1000 for £74/month connection :D
 
bledd said:
https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/comparison/

ER4 and ER6P are perfect for it.
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Yes, with qualifications. They're not security devices. So you would still need a pfSense box as well. At which point you would just use a pfSense box.

The USG will do security stuff as well as the routing of the EdgeRouter. It just won't do it very fast.

I think this is what people forget about the EdgeMax devices. They've basically just vanilla routers. The USG is attempting to be something akin to a pfSense box (and yes, I know it lacks MANY features). The additional processing is why the USGs run so slowly in comparison to EdgeMax. A USG-3P will run at 1Gbps if you just want the basic routing and firewall features. Turn on DPI and that drops to about 500Mbps and then add on IPS/IDS and it's only doing 85Mbps.
 
What home user needs DPI though? Nice sure, but not something that a non enterprise environment really needs, nor has the budget/hardware to run - As your own throughput estimations make good example of.

I use an ER3L and it's perfect for what I need, it can allegedly get close to 1GBit/s wirespeed but I have my doubts. Plenty powerful enough for 250/50 FTTP, openVPN and some other modules. Was curious what was being used for 1Gbit however as I can, should I wish, get a 1Gbit service.
 
Sin_Chase said:
What home user needs DPI though? Nice sure, but not something that a non enterprise environment really needs, nor has the budget/hardware to run - As your own throughput estimations make good example of.

I use an ER3L and it's perfect for what I need, it can allegedly get close to 1GBit/s wirespeed but I have my doubts. Plenty powerful enough for 250/50 FTTP, openVPN and some other modules. Was curious what was being used for 1Gbit however as I can, should I wish, get a 1Gbit service.
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You don't need DPI, but I bet most folks want the IPS/IDS functionality and the other upcoming UTM features. UBNT didn't bring Chris Buechler in because they want to be another me-too Router manufacturer. They want the USG range to be at least where pfSense is now, and hopefully significantly better in the future.
 
WJA96 said:
You don't need DPI, but I bet most folks want the IPS/IDS functionality and the other upcoming UTM features. UBNT didn't bring Chris Buechler in because they want to be another me-too Router manufacturer. They want the USG range to be at least where pfSense is now, and hopefully significantly better in the future.
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Most folks don't want anything that can be changed or tweaked or configured. 98% of users couldn't care less about any of those features and just want Facebook, insta, Snapchat and WhatsApp to load and work well. Remember us 'techy types' are very much in a minority. Millions of people use their ISP supplied Routers, even if they're allowed to run their own.
 
The 'security at the edge' model is gradually drifting away now that everything is encrypted. Unless you fancy messing around with custom root certs and then making a ton of exceptions for applications that use cert pinning.
 
MissChief said:
Most folks don't want anything that can be changed or tweaked or configured. 98% of users couldn't care less about any of those features and just want Facebook, insta, Snapchat and WhatsApp to load and work well. Remember us 'techy types' are very much in a minority. Millions of people use their ISP supplied Routers, even if they're allowed to run their own.
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Indeed. And NONE of those millions of people are happy with their “Wi-fi”. I’m very happy with mine.
 
Caged said:
The 'security at the edge' model is gradually drifting away now that everything is encrypted. Unless you fancy messing around with custom root certs and then making a ton of exceptions for applications that use cert pinning.
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You wouldn’t think so from the UBNT forums.
 
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