fury and 4gb limiting?

[nashathedog]

double post sorry

 

[nashathedog]

I have the R9 Fury Nitro myself and play at 1440p.
I have yet to run into a game where the 4 gb is a problem and that is at 1440p resolution.
Maybe it is just down to the games I play, but I find the Whole vram issue a bit blown out of proportion.
Here is a test at 4k showing the Fury use less vram as the Nvidia Cards :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMZzURcawws

I've gotta question the video's results as I just booted up Mad Max and did the settings in the video and did the resolution to 4k via dsr and I get the following result which is my Fury using 2.5 gb's of memory just like the Nvidia cards are, not 1.5 like the video shows the Fury X doing, I suppose you could argue that dsr is causing it too use more ram but I have no other way to test 4k and the result here matches what it does for the Nvidia cards in the video which makes sense.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dfgrqigui3o3jlo/Screenshot 2016-08-16 08.46.44.png?dl=0

 

[Ticonderoga]

I've gotta question the video's results as I just booted up Mad Max and did the settings in the video and did the resolution to 4k via dsr and I get the following result which is my Fury using 2.5 gb's of memory just like the Nvidia cards are, not 1.5 like the video shows the Fury X doing, I suppose you could argue that dsr is causing it too use more ram but I have no other way to test 4k and the result here matches what it does for the Nvidia cards in the video which makes sense.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dfgrqigui3o3jlo/Screenshot 2016-08-16 08.46.44.png?dl=0

Cant test it myself as I only have a 1440p screen.
But I found more videos with the same results :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b4EOS_E8K8

I remember AMDmatt mentioning that there is some sort of compression with HBM memory which may explain the results.

 

[nashathedog]

Cant test it myself as I only have a 1440p screen.
But I found more videos with the same results :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b4EOS_E8K8

I remember AMDmatt mentioning that there is some sort of compression with HBM memory which may explain the results.

The new video shows hardly any difference in most of the games and only two show a note worthy difference wtih one favouring the Fury and one favouring the 980ti. At the end of the day I think it proves what I've been saying 4gb is 4gb's, Inconsistent compression results do not make it an equivalent to 5gb's or 6gb's of ddr5 as some people are claiming..

 

[shankly1985]

Currently there's three titles where the textures push the memory usage over the Furies 4gb hbm limit @ 1080p, four if you include Forza which won't allow you to choose the highest texture setting on any card that has 4gb's or less.

Spoiler

I can't remember one but Rise of the Tomb Raider and Xcom 2 are two that I've used and experienced it with,
It's more important to note that the need to turn that texture setting down one has a negligible impact on the visual quality and in truth is a non issue.

Here's the screenshots I did using the texture setting on high in one and very high in the other:

Spoiler

There's not enough of a visual difference to care whether it's on high or very high in my opinion plus both give me an fps that stays well above the 60 fps my 60hz monitor uses.

At 1080p having 4gb's of ram is only going to be an issue if you force it to be an issue and there is no reason too.

Any links to forza confirming this? Far has I know they isn't a ultra texture setting. Car textures and track textures both max is high.

Game runs smoothly on highest possible settings with msaa the only setting on dynamic @1440p with 4GB 290

 

[Ticonderoga]

The new video shows hardly any difference in most of the games and only two show a note worthy difference wtih one favouring the Fury and one favouring the 980ti. At the end of the day I think it proves what I've been saying 4gb is 4gb's, Inconsistent compression results do not make it an equivalent to 5gb's or 6gb's of ddr5 as some people are claiming..

What do you mean?

In the GTA the GTX 980 ti uses about 500-1000 mb more and in Shadow of mordor it is a whopping 1800-1900 mb more.

 

[montymint]

I'm finding that all my games play on 1440p on my Fury with no real issue (whine on ROTTR - but it's not too loud)

I get 40fps plus in high - ultra, which with freesync is fine

 

[Ian Evey]

Vram on a single card is the same now as it has Always been, the card will run out of grunt before the amount of vram becomes an issue.

Like nash says tweaking certain settings in certain games shows no real difference in image quality so even when vram is becoming an issue just turn some settings down.

 

[shaf]

So, if I don't buy the fury and up my budget, would it be better to buy a 980ti or 1070?

Currently the 980ti is on a deal and both are similar prices.

 

[nashathedog]

So, if I don't buy the fury and up my budget, would it be better to buy a 980ti or 1070?

Currently the 980ti is on a deal and both are similar prices.

When considering similar performing cards always going for the newer generation/tech is a good rule of thumb, especially with Nvidia.

Plus 8gb's of ram seems to be becoming the new sweet spot.
IMO the 1070 is the safer long term bet of the two.

 

[nashathedog]

Any links to forza confirming this? Far has I know they isn't a ultra texture setting. Car textures and track textures both max is high.

This is the message when trying to use the highest setting https://www.dropbox.com/s/svdvqtgxk8b0afy/Screenshot 2016-08-16 11.12.48.png?dl=0

What do you mean?

In the GTA the GTX 980 ti uses about 500-1000 mb more and in Shadow of mordor it is a whopping 1800-1900 mb more.

My mistake i was looking at the bottom reading, however that actually helps prove my case,
Having now looked again it's still only two titles with a significant difference and if you watch the SOM benches lowest displayed reading which it turns out is the system ram it is rock steady on the 980ti while it is constantly changing on the Fury with up to a 1gb variance, Presumably that's caused by the vram usage being switched out to the system ram, So no it does not seem to be better compression at all it's simply using the slower system ram for some things.
In GTAV they both seem to be doing it and I guess that's due to using the ignore ram limits setting in the menu.

 

[shankly1985]

This is the message when trying to use the highest setting https://www.dropbox.com/s/svdvqtgxk8b0afy/Screenshot 2016-08-16 11.12.48.png?dl=0

Strange I don't get that, how much system memory do you have? I have 16gb

You get this when selecting ultra preset?

Edit
Any your settings different from mine?
https://youtu.be/YYHjK1iUmq4

 

[nashathedog]

Strange I don't get that, how much system memory do you have? I have 16gb

You get this when selecting ultra preset?

Edit
Any your settings different from mine?
https://youtu.be/YYHjK1iUmq4

I never considered it being system ram with Forza but you might be right as I only have 8 gb's of ddr3, The setting is dynamic render quality,
I've been avoiding wasting money on more ddr3 as I expect to be on ddr4 in the near future (Zen hopefully).

 

[shaf]

I don't think I'll be going for a fury as, although a fantastic, I feel the 4gb might be restricting when I upgrade my monitor.

The 980ti is very close to a 1070 in price and getting it over 1079 makes no sense.

So I'm going to get a 1070 - any recommendations?

 

[Dave2150]

I am upgrading my card and was about to purchase a 980ti second hand but decided against it.

I've seen the Radeon Fury NITRO is on a good deal and was about to pull the trigger when I saw that it is only has 4GB RAM.

Will this be a problem?

I game at 1080p at the moment.

Yes it will be a problem even at 1080P in some games. Now that NVIDIA's mid range cards have 6GB of VRAM and NVIDIA's high end cards have 8GB VRAM, developers will be implementing larger textures, so the Fury cards will be unable to play at max settings.

AMD stopped making the Fury GPU's - these cards on sale are the last available, and for good reason IMO, 4GB is a total joke for a high end card.

 

[nashathedog]

I don't think I'll be going for a fury as, although a fantastic, I feel the 4gb might be restricting when I upgrade my monitor.

The 980ti is very close to a 1070 in price and getting it over 1079 makes no sense.

So I'm going to get a 1070 - any recommendations?

I'd suggest something from this selection

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/graphics-cards/nvidia/geforce-gtx-1070

not a reference blower though. all the dual fan models for under £390 look okay. mind you this is only 10 or 20 quid more https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inno...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-066-in.html I don't think it'll matter that much the cards all seem to clock in similar ballparks, Actually getting a Zotac with a 5 year warranty is also a good option as you get an extra 2 years peace of mind. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-c...orce-gtx-1070?ckSuppliers=685&sSort=3&ckTab=0

I think I'd choose from these personally https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-c...-gtx-1070?ckSuppliers=685-219&sSort=3&ckTab=0

 

[shaf]

I'd suggest something from this selection

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/graphics-cards/nvidia/geforce-gtx-1070

not a reference blower though. all the dual fan models for under £390 look okay. mind you this is only 10 or 20 quid more https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inno...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-066-in.html I don't think it'll matter that much the cards all seem to clock in similar ballparks, Actually getting a Zotac with a 5 year warranty is also a good option as you get an extra 2 years peace of mind. https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-c...orce-gtx-1070?ckSuppliers=685&sSort=3&ckTab=0

I think I'd choose from these personally https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-c...-gtx-1070?ckSuppliers=685-219&sSort=3&ckTab=0

I seem to like the Inno3d 1070 iChill.

Is it a popular one that people on here go for?

 

[Relentless81]

I don't think I'll be going for a fury as, although a fantastic, I feel the 4gb might be restricting when I upgrade my monitor.

The 980ti is very close to a 1070 in price and getting it over 1079 makes no sense.

So I'm going to get a 1070 - any recommendations?

I game at 1440P with my Fury Nitro

In BF4 with Ultra settings and MSAA off I get over 60FPS consistantly, more in the 80's for the most part

I was worried about the 4GB of HBM at first but needn't have been, its absolutely fine

 

[shaf]

I game at 1440P with my Fury Nitro

In BF4 with Ultra settings and MSAA off I get over 60FPS consistantly, more in the 80's for the most part

I was worried about the 4GB of HBM at first but needn't have been, its absolutely fine

Knowing my luck the only game I'll want to play and this will be an issue.

I'm sure it is fine for now - it's just that I don't want to spend nearly £300 and find that in the near future I have to upgrade again.

 

[prjwebb]

so you can get a good frame rate on a 1080 monitor with the crimson software upscaling to 1440?

i tried before and it seemed pretty bad. maybe my i5 6400 being the bottleneck?