Is it worth spending £65 more to go with a good budget X570 over a B450 for a new build to keep it upgradable over the next 5 years or more? I'm thinking the X570 has improved vrm thermal performance which should help my Ryzen 5 3600 run cooler now and help with OC temps when I upgrade further down the line. Also thinking about M.2 speeds and PCIe.4 bandwidth in GPU's in the years to come? But maybe I am just deluding myself that these are differences that will matter?
future proof new build with X570 over B450?
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If planning to keep it 5+ years
I would pay the 65 extra
More for M2 speeds than
Gpu as not maxing out pci~e 3.0 on
Those and gpus don't usually do quantum leaps in performance
Like ssds and M2 did for
Hard drives
I would pay the 65 extra
More for M2 speeds than
Gpu as not maxing out pci~e 3.0 on
Those and gpus don't usually do quantum leaps in performance
Like ssds and M2 did for
Hard drives
Got to hope those x570 chipset fans will last 5 years. Pcie4 ssd not really needed unless you frequently move vast amounts of data around. For general pc use and gaming even a Sata ssd is fine. The rtx 2080ti is only just maxing out pcie2 so will be a long time before pcie4 is needed. If you do go for a b450 then make sure it's either a tomahawk, mortar or pro carbon as those have very good Vrm heat syncs so upgrading to 12 or even 16 cores in the future is fine.
I'll have to keep it 5 years and more. What began as a build myself a £500 pc, with a little upgrade here and there, has has turned into a £1300 splurge before my very eyes lol.
what joxeon said
Lol I never thought about the chipset fans failing in that time. Was initially planning on the tomahawk max but dont need the 7.1 audio in the IO panel would rather have usb 3.2 and once you get up to the price of the pro carbon it's only another £40 to jump to the Prime x570-p. But you've got me thinking your right and I should just stick to the tomahawk max and that extra 40 or £65 would be better spent elsewhere. Can you tell this money is burning a hole in my pocket?
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Have seen x570
Modded to passive heatsink on chipset
And that extra cost over 5 years isn't a lot really
Pci~e x4 M2 are already at 5GBS
And seen 7~8GBs ones which
Will soon be on the market
And prices are still going down for
M2 drives
So I would still pay that extra
For the possibility of future high speed storage
Yes a 2.5 ssd is pretty much as good
As a M2 x4 for everyday use
But if you have more than 1 of the M2 x4 drives
Then copy to/from them slaughters a 2.5 ssd
Takes me 3 minutes to read/write a 40GB image backup using 2 x M2 x4 drives and that's only the PCIe 3.0 drives
If you don't plan on future upgrades involving moving lot of data around
Then the cheaper board
May do you fine
Modded to passive heatsink on chipset
And that extra cost over 5 years isn't a lot really
Pci~e x4 M2 are already at 5GBS
And seen 7~8GBs ones which
Will soon be on the market
And prices are still going down for
M2 drives
So I would still pay that extra
For the possibility of future high speed storage
Yes a 2.5 ssd is pretty much as good
As a M2 x4 for everyday use
But if you have more than 1 of the M2 x4 drives
Then copy to/from them slaughters a 2.5 ssd
Takes me 3 minutes to read/write a 40GB image backup using 2 x M2 x4 drives and that's only the PCIe 3.0 drives
If you don't plan on future upgrades involving moving lot of data around
Then the cheaper board
May do you fine
I am really not expecting to have those kind of data transfer needs so I'll stick with the B450 and put the extra funds elsewhere.
Thanks to all for the advice. It is most appreciated.
Is this a specific way of writing I'm missing?
Yeah I think a b450 tomahawk would last 4-5 years.
Run a 3700x then jump on the best 4000 series it can run when prices of them come down. Easy 5 years.
M2 speeds aren't needed unless you have data transfer work loads... Which I presume you don't.
No I am not using poetic prose
Nor am I writing limericks
I space text weirdly due to Dyslexia I can't parse blocks of text
properly,thanks for understanding
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Thanks @tamzzy
And @inoton
I don't even notice doing it
It's subconscious
Thanks for understanding once
Tamzzy pointed it out.
And @inoton
I don't even notice doing it
It's subconscious
Thanks for understanding once
Tamzzy pointed it out.
Considering the size of heatsink der8auer succesfully used for X570, Gigabytes would likely stay cool enough without fan running if you remove that plastic from top of heatsink and have case airflow.
https://hexus.net/tech/news/mainboard/132515-der8auer-examines-amd-x570-chipset-power-consumption/
But Asus boards with their chipset coolers under graphics card and bathed by its heat would be more challenging.
Chipset HSF basically suffocating under big graphics cards also forces its fan to run fast and no doubt wearing it down faster than necessary.
What board is your favourite for a 3700x with a planned upgrade to 4950x or what ever it is?
Do we know 4000 chips will work on AM4?
Having fast storage certainly helps me to save time on backups.
That goes to Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite for balanced features and design without paying arm and leg.
After mostly totally substandard and pretty much scam level VRMs in most B450 boards (+one X470 board) Asus did full U-turn and every X570 Asus has VRM strong enough for 12/16 cores.
Similarly Gigabyte turned ship around and while two clearly cheaper priced boards are so and so, X570 Aorus Elite brings strong modern design VRM.
But in minus of X570 boards, active chipset cooling, Asus had marketroids doing bulletpoint engineering design with zero logical thinking:
All of their boards have chipset cooler straight under graphics card!
So if you have high end graphics card with non-blower cooler that can basically suffocate chipset cooling causing toasty temperatures during gaming.
Der8auer didn't test that at all.
Gigabyte did lot more sense making chipset coolers with it positioned farther from heat of graphics card.
Though going higher in line up signature of marketroids starts showing more:
Aorus Elite has unobstructed fan fathest from GPU slot > Aorus Pro moves it couple cm closer > Aorus Ultra poops airflow restricting crap on top of the fan.
Actually MSI has the best chipset cooling designs of X570...
But they went from B450 hero to total zero in X570 and started scamming in VRM and in boards below Unify have £100 B450 board level VRMs!
AMD originally told they're going to support AM4 to this year and with DDR5 still nowhere to be found there's zero sense for another socket.
In fact unless JEDEC finally pulls their collective fingers out of their butt and finalizes DDR5 specification, AMD is going to have to start thinking about what they'll to do with Zen4 architecture.
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Me too
And since I back up to multiple
Places I really don't regret getting
X570 and 3 x nvme M2 drives
Literally does a 40gb image before
I get back from making a cup
Of tea
Time is money
So that extra for x570 well worth
It to me
Thanks! I have an ae-5, so don't care about graphics. Maybe an elite is in my shopping basket.
That is a very good point. It was the budget Asus Prime x570-p that I had my eye on too. It has some great reviews for a budget board but didn't see any of them pick up on that.