"Future proofing" and the RX 480

[mustrum]

What is future proof to you? The most future proof card on the market is the Titan X Pascal simply because it is the fastest by a large margin.
The RX 480 might be a little bit more future proof than it's direct competitor the 1060 GTX because fo slightly better DX12 performance and better async support. The difference is small thogh and the 1060 is better with DX11.
How future proof is a card? It depens mostly on the resolution you want to play in.
For 1080P a RX 480 or 1060 GTX will be good for a couple of years if you can live with reduced details down the line.
The more you invest now then longer it will be ok without reducing detail.

 

[h4rm0ny]

The thread is about futureproofing, something that you just can not do however much money you spend.

Of course you can. You can buy a card that has features that are going to become more useful over time. E.g. the 480 has HDR which is almost irrelevant right now, but will be useful in the future. Ergo, it is more future proof than a card that does not. A card that has features people will want in the future is by definition more future proof than a card that does not. This also holds for features that affect raw performance such as DX12 support.

 

[SiDeards73]

What an utter load of nonsense, its about Futureproofing "Within a given budget", its impossible to futureproof anyhow, but what you can do is make an educated guess on how best to spend your money on which product will give you the best bang for buck.

If you look at performance per pound spent and then look at relevant performance per lifespan of the product.

If you say right i want a 1080p card thats going to last me for 4 years but im on a budget and my max is £250, straight away you have narrowed down your choices, eliminating the Titan series of cards, infact many cards including 1070, 1080, 980ti, FuryX, Fury, Nano etc

Now if you say over the lifespan of that AMD card its average driver improvents increase by 5% per year, thats a 20% improvement over its lifespan (AMD have already boosted their 480 perf by how much?) Then you add in DX12, Vulcan etc, your games in your steam library are going to see better performance over this cards lifespan, newer games are going to hit the card harder sure, but you can expect driver improvements to help these.

If you was to look at DX12 and Vulcan titles then over 4 years at 1080p, your probably still going to be hitting 60fps on titles.

If you want to look at it from a maths view point, a 480 is going to cost you effectively 17p a day over 4years, interestingly a TitanX is about 82p a day, which is decent when you look at it from that point of view

I understand Kaaps point, in 4 years a TitanX Pascal is still probably going to hammer 1080p 60fps, but in 4 years time the current £250 cards are going to just the same.

 

[Kaapstad]

Go on someone ask me what I would buy if I wanted a graphics card just for gaming.

 

[old gamer]

Go on someone ask me what I would buy if I wanted a graphics card just for gaming.

what would you buy for gaming

 

[Kaapstad]

what would you buy for gaming

1060 or RX480

I have been a very big gamer for years before I joined these forums.

I don't care about microstutter, A Sync, G Sync, fps, glitches or any other minor faults all I care about is gameplay.

I do like playing on a high resolution screen though as I play a lot of strategy games and like to see a lot of the map.

Yes I do own 1 or 2 other GPUs that I use for other things which allow me to max the settings in every game but for me it is gameplay that counts.

Watching BF4 run at nearly 200fps maxed @2160p with no dips is very boring to me as I don't like the game, I would rather play a strategy game that slaughters your CPU and runs like a pig because the gameplay is more interesting.

I sometimes think people have forgotten about gameplay and just want pretty pictures.

 

[Final8y]

Some people need to go and look at the definition of future proofing.

to design software, a computer, etc. so that it can still be used in the future, even when technology changes:

Future-proof software, computer equipment, etc. is designed so that it can still be used even when technology changes:

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/future-proof

Its nothing to do with being the absolute best or not being superseded, its about getting the most longevity for what you are spending.

If someone needs to have the absolute best all the time then there is no future proofing against that, technology does not stand still.

 

[tommybhoy]

The thread is about futureproofing, something that you just can not do however much money you spend.

All you can do is set a budget for your card upgrade and get the best available one for the money.

Oh and the original Titans are better than the 290Xs as far as future proofing is concerned for 2 reasons,

1. They are 6gb cards and still work well @2160p in mGPU SLI

2. They are compute cards which has maintained their value.

Having said that I still have 4 290Xs and 4 original Titans.

1 and 2 is moot because 1, AMD has 8Gb 290's that will outgun original Titan in some titles as the Titan will outgun the 290's due to mgpu compatibility/better support on a game by game basis.

2 he wants to game, compute does next to nothing for gaming on Titan.

The threads about future proofing and the RX 480/1060's ability to still play games in 4 years time and the answer is a resounding YES based off of a 5 year old second tier gpu(7870) not being irrelevant yet with minimum requirement in the newest titles to date.

It's not about 4K and mgpu mate, I know what your explaining and what your saying is the highest end hardware is logically the most future proof tech but it's irrelevant in this discussion as it's at the other end of the guys requirements.

 

[old gamer]

1060 or RX480

I have been a very big gamer for years before I joined these forums.

I don't care about microstutter, A Sync, G Sync, fps, glitches or any other minor faults all I care about is gameplay.

I do like playing on a high resolution screen though as I play a lot of strategy games and like to see a lot of the map.

Yes I do own 1 or 2 other GPUs that I use for other things which allow me to max the settings in every game but for me it is gameplay that counts.

Watching BF4 run at nearly 200fps maxed @2160p with no dips is very boring to me as I don't like the game, I would rather play a strategy game that slaughters your CPU and runs like a pig because the gameplay is more interesting.

I sometimes think people have forgotten about gameplay and just want pretty pictures.

i also think some feel that frames per second are the be all and end all but not that important to me,i cant remember what game i think it was one of the james bond games and was capped at 30fps and whilst i moaned like everyone else playing it for a bit i forgot all about 30 fps and just enjoyed the game for what it was

 

[Kaapstad]

1 and 2 is moot because 1, AMD has 8Gb 290's that will outgun original Titan in some titles as the Titan will outgun the 290's due to mgpu compatibility/better support on a game by game basis.

2 he wants to game, compute does next to nothing for gaming on Titan.

The threads about future proofing and the RX 480/1060's ability to still play games in 4 years time and the answer is a resounding YES based off of a 5 year old second tier gpu(7870) not being irrelevant yet with minimum requirement in the newest titles to date.

It's not about 4K and mgpu mate, I know what your explaining and what your saying is the highest end hardware is logically the most future proof tech but it's irrelevant in this discussion as it's at the other end of the guys requirements.

Well it was you who mentioned the original Titans lol.

While we are on the subject the Titans were available about a year before the 4gb 290s and nearly 2 years before the 8gb 290s and 390s, now that is what I call futureproofing.

The other thing that springs to mind and is most annoying at the moment is quadfire for single cards is a nightmare at the moment but 4 way SLI for older NVidia cards like the original Titans works fine. Now if only NVidia could do gaming 4 way SLI for what they are selling now, what a joke that Maxwell trumps Pascal at the extreme top end.

 

[h4rm0ny]

Some people need to go and look at the definition of future proofing.




http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/future-proof

Its nothing to do with being the absolute best or not being superseded, its about getting the most longevity for what you are spending.

If someone needs to have the absolute best all the time then there is no future proofing against that, technology does not stand still.

Kaap has a rather unique view on "future proofing". They seem to take it to mean "nothing better will be released". Which is a rather useless view on it. It's undeniable that some cards will last better than others and equally undeniable that this is not synonymous with cost or performance.

 

[Kaapstad]

Kaap has a rather unique view on "future proofing". They seem to take it to mean "nothing better will be released". Which is a rather useless view on it. It's undeniable that some cards will last better than others and equally undeniable that this is not synonymous with cost or performance.

I think I have a very good view on future proofing

There will always be something faster along in next to no time.

 

[Random Guy]

A good way to look at future proofing is to look *back* into the past however many years you would like your purchase to last. So if I want a new card to last 4 years, let's just take a look back at the GPUs of the day 4 years ago shall we?

That would be the GTX 680. Anyone still using one today? What is it equivalent to - roughly half the power of the 970. So top-end GPU being exceeded with double the performance by a mid-range GPU after 2 years, and what would that GPU be able to play comfortably today?

 

[tommybhoy]

Well it was you who mentioned the original Titans lol.

C'mon Kaap, I acknowledged that Titan is the undisputed champ for it's day, but the first hasn't aged, the second one we'll be finding out soon, but in direct response to your 'get 2 Pascal Titans for 2 to 4 years gaming' I went back to use the original Titan>present data that we know now on how to recommend(as some kind of metric) in regards choosing the right gpu for 1080p for as little money as possible.

While we are on the subject the Titans were available about a year before the 4gb 290s and nearly 2 years before the 8gb 290s and 390s, now that is what I call futureproofing.

The vram was future proofed, pity the rest of it's a little bit faster than a 3Gb 7970 now.


Btw, you doing a Deus X MD bench?

 

[Poneros]

A good way to look at future proofing is to look *back* into the past however many years you would like your purchase to last. So if I want a new card to last 4 years, let's just take a look back at the GPUs of the day 4 years ago shall we?

That would be the GTX 680. Anyone still using one today? What is it equivalent to - roughly half the power of the 970. So top-end GPU being exceeded with double the performance by a mid-range GPU after 2 years, and what would that GPU be able to play comfortably today?

Sure, but don't forget that performance increases in terms of % are stalling. 3 years ago you could've bought a 290x. That would've been a cracking investment considering the performance they're still putting out and compared to existing cards now.

 

[Padraig]

People saying a 480 is not a good card for the future obviously are oblivious to the 290/x and the gap between that and the 780ti i wouldn't be surprised if it gets slightly faster than a 390 in 4 years where as the 980ti and 970 will have fun without any driver support... AMD cards last longer for 1080p and a bit above NVIDIA cards are what you want if you want the best performance high end every year but wont last as long performance wise.

 

[Kaapstad]

C'mon Kaap, I acknowledged that Titan is the undisputed champ for it's day, but the first hasn't aged, the second one we'll be finding out soon, but in direct response to your 'get 2 Pascal Titans for 2 to 4 years gaming' I went back to use the original Titan>present data that we know now on how to recommend(as some kind of metric) in regards choosing the right gpu for 1080p for as little money as possible.



The vram was future proofed, pity the rest of it's a little bit faster than a 3Gb 7970 now.


Btw, you doing a Deus X MD bench?

I am actually trying get across that futureproofing does not work.

The most extreme futureproofing you can try is getting some Pascal Titans but even this does not work as tech moves on so fast.

Far better to forget all about futureproofing and get the best card for your budget and use it !!!

Does Deus X MD bench have a built in bench and is it available on steam ?

 

[thebennyboy]

Does Deus X MD bench have a built in bench ?

Yes

is it available on steam ?

Yes