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[Sankari]

How else do you get them to listen? In America the right to bear arms was put there so that "the people" could stand up to out of control governments, sometimes violence is the only way and America's founding fathers knew it.

No it wasn't. The purpose was to ensure that America had a militia to defend the state in the event of threat from a foreign power. The wording was borrowed from pre-existing state legislation of the same era, one of which reads as follows:

That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

The actual text reads as follows:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The reference is to the security of the state, not self defence.

 

[Things change I've changed]

Reform of government. Get rid of the current glut of career politicians who are hell bent on peeing money up the wall on ever poorer public services, chipping away at our civil rights, costing us a fortune in salaries, going against public will on important decisions, etc etc. Replace them with a more modest government of people who actually represent the populous.

But where are these 'noble' politicians to take their place? and don't forget we the people voted in the current government into power, I think if you really want to make your stand then it should be done in the voting booths, I bet most of these protesters don't even vote, and if they represent an overwhelming majority surely if they did all vote then change would come because we would have a more 'left wing' party in power.

 

[Strife212]

Fixed

Thatcher hasn't been in power since the early 90's and the Tories haven't been in power since 1997. It Blair, Brown and Labour that have messed our country up.

I don't think you have grasped what he was trying to get at

 

[B@Th*nG]

The problem is that everything ends up so polarised.

On the one hand we have a bunch of uppity self-righteous, self-involved people who would advocate laissez faire capitalism no matter what the cost, who hold material wealth as the highest goal, with no regard for anyone less fortunate than themselves.

They then consider anyone who disagrees with their ideals as being an unwashed, uneducated, illiterate, jobless, communist idiot who just wants to riot, without any actual idea of what they want or how to achieve it besides causing a fuss.

So we have two straw men fighting things out, while the more liberal folk in the middle struggle to be heard over the clamouring morons moaning about their distorted view of the other side.

here here!

B@

 

[The Dread Pirate]

But where are these 'noble' politicians to take their place? and don't forget we the people voted in the current government into power, I think if you really want to make your stand then it should be done in the voting booths, I bet most of these protesters don't even vote, and if they represent an overwhelming majority surely if they did all vote then change would come because we would have a more 'left wing' party in power.

The whole point of a revolution is to first and foremost get the current government/Dictator out then after that new parties are set up and the people are given the vote to decide which system they prefer the revolutionarys aren't nessecerially going to get voted in.
Hell the revolutionarys could just decide they've got the government that was *****ing everyone over out and then not bother running for election themselves.

 

[Nitefly]

The whole point of a revolution is to first and foremost get the current government/Dictator out then after that new parties are set up and the people are given the vote.

I wouldn't call that a revolution. A revolution is a complete overhaul of the political system.

I think it's hilarious that people are asking for the right to protest peacefully, yet some smash windows... and they wonder why they get treated the way they do by the police.

 

[ColdAsIce]

Would love for us to be a communist state just so these idiots realise just how good we actually had it.

 

[CaptainComedy]

I wouldn't call that a revolution. A revolution is a complete overhaul of the political system.

I think it's hilarious that people are asking for the right to protest peacefully, yet some smash windows... and they wonder why they get treated the way they do by the police.

yeah hehe if I had it my way, I'd get the laughing gas out. I knew heath ledger had an important role to play.

 

[Tom1138]

I don't think you have grasped what he was trying to get at

I guess not, I just dislike the fact someone blames a party who have not been in power for over 10 years on our current economic situation.

 

[ringo747]

Does any of these protesting numptys have a job and have they ever done anything good for society? I think all these environment protests are a bunch of losers who are a total waste of space and wouldn't know what a proper days work was if it bit them on the ass.

 

[@if ®afiq]

I went out to see what the crack was at 11:30, took some snaps and when I tried to leave at 12:15 I was told no.

I don't understand why the police had everyone penned in for 2.5 hours, surely they would have realised this would aggrevate people?

 

[Vonhelmet]

Would love for us to be a communist state just so these idiots realise just how good we actually had it.

Communism has never been properly implemented, so it's hard to say how it would work.

 

[Gaygle]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7977258.stm

I think this guy somes up why there is such a heavy police presence. He doesn't even know why he's there ffs!

 

[The Dread Pirate]

I wouldn't call that a revolution. A revolution is a complete overhaul of the political system.

The things that happen in a revolution:
Government Overthrown along with old system;
New Parties with their own preferred systems are created;
People are given the vote to decide which system they prefer;
Preferred system is implemented along with the preferred party;

 

[CaptainComedy]

I really dont understand these protestors. Got something to say? go to your mp ><

 

[Vonhelmet]

Does any of these protesting numptys have a job and have they ever done anything good for society? I think all these environment protests are a bunch of losers who are a total waste of space and wouldn't know what a proper days work was if it bit them on the ass.

YEAH! BEAT THAT STRAW MAN!

 

[Nitefly]

The things that happen in a revolution:
Government Overthrown along with old system;
New Parties with their own preferred systems are created;
People are given the vote to decide which system they prefer;
Preferred system is implemented along with the preferred party;

Sorry, you didn't quite emphasise all of that in your post. I understand what you meant now

 

[The Dread Pirate]

Communism has never been properly implemented, so it's hard to say how it would work.

It has as has pure capitalism however while theoretically each system works practically neither system in their pure forms worked hence most countries are now a mix of both part of the economy state run and controlled(Communist) and part privatly run and controlled(Capitalist) it's the only real way either system can work practically.

 

[Viper²]

They don't want much do they?

A banner at Trafalgar Square reads:

Troops out of Iraq & Afghanistan
End the seige of Gaza-Free Palestine
Jobs not bombs
Stop arming Israel
Abolish all nukes

 

[Sankari]

YEAH! BEAT THAT STRAW MAN!