G4S expects full Olympic Games payment

[TW]Fox;22749004 said:
If we think about it this makes sense - the security was provided and should be paid for - G4S paid for the presence of the troops themselves, not the taxpayer.

LOCOG agreed to pay £x to secure the games. The games were secured, and £x is therefore due. It was a farce but sorting the farce is something G4S paid for themselves.
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Case closed to be honest.
 
dowie said:
The military does have a public order role and can provide aid to the civil authorities as and when required.
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Only at the request of the civilian authorities, the person i was replying to seemed to think they can intervene in civilian matters at their own discretion, which is not the case.
 
Woden said:
It would still be political suicide, that or a step down a very dark path. Just because martial law *can* be instated doesn't mean it should.
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'Martial law' ? you've been watching too many films...

The military frequently provide aid to the civil authorities.... this can involve lots of things from civil disorder (in Northern Ireland for example) to bomb disposal experts....

Most TA units provide troops for a civil contingency reaction force and will conduct exercises with the emergency services for this role - I don't quite see how it would be political suicide to use these sorts of resources when they're actually required...

edit - seems I'm slightly out of date and the CCFR role has been scrapped now....
 
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dowie said:
'Martial law' ? you've been watching too many films...

The military frequently provide aid to the civil authorities.... this can involve lots of things from civil disorder (in Northern Ireland for example) to bomb disposal experts....

Most TA units provide troops for a civil contingency reaction force and will conduct exercises with the emergency services for this role - I don't quite see how it would be political suicide to use these sorts of resources when they're actually required...

edit - seems I'm slightly out of date and the CCFR role has been scrapped now....
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We have been through this in this thread already. Fire services, bomb disposal is totally different to civil disorder.

And really, using Northern Ireland as an example? That was, and still is a political nightmare.
 
[TW]Fox;22749004 said:
If we think about it this makes sense - the security was provided and should be paid for - G4S paid for the presence of the troops themselves, not the taxpayer.

LOCOG agreed to pay £x to secure the games. The games were secured, and £x is therefore due. It was a farce but sorting the farce is something G4S paid for themselves.
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What he said.
 
arctine said:
What a ridiculous thing to say...
I'm not saying the Army doesn't require credit either, I'm saying they shouldn't be getting ALL of the credit.
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Yes, maybe I was a little harsh, I do appreciate the job the RAF do. I just felt that you were saying that the RAF do all the work, I'm quite sure if the army were not working so hard that we would have provided the bulk of the manpower, my unit was still asked to provide even though we are on herrick 16 now.

I agree with your point, all services should get the credit for the games and Afghanistan, (although warships are thin on the ground RN!).
 
[TW]Fox;22749004 said:
If we think about it this makes sense - the security was provided and should be paid for - G4S paid for the presence of the troops themselves, not the taxpayer.

LOCOG agreed to pay £x to secure the games. The games were secured, and £x is therefore due. It was a farce but sorting the farce is something G4S paid for themselves.
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But while the RAF were guarding the games (just a joke arctine) they were not doing their real job and that real job will still need doing and its the soldiers, sailors and airmen who will after catch up on that work by either canceling leave or working overtime (we're not paid overtime) or by not doing the work, which may leave critical equipment unavailable to us if its needed. It isn't like on a daily basis the armed forces are just sat chilling out, we've work to do and that work wasn't done while we were being security guards.
 
To be honest its kinda hard to speculate on everything without seeing the contract, which should detail any penalties for breaking or not fulfilling the contract which is it fairly undeniable that they did (assuming that they agreed to the revised figures obviously), at which point the case should be fairly clear, you follow the contract to the letter, no matter if G4S decided to pay the military support off their own backs, that is a completely different issue to the one at hand.

But anyway that wont get in the way of the general hatred towards everyone involved, apart from the military services which get a big plus point on all regards in this case.

N.B. plus points may be redeemed for no actual value and may infact be worthless
 
Even if G4S does not get all its money, Nick Buckles reminded the politicians just how much of a player his firm is, in both public and private life. Its staff deliver your money, read your meters, "we run your prisons, we run your hospitals", he said.
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Trying to see if this was taken out of context or they're trying to blackmail us or something
 
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