Gabe Newell: DirectX 10 for Vista was a mistake

The only dedicated DX10 games your going to see in atleast two years are those that microsoft have paid the developers off with to try and boost Vista sales.

It will obviously happen but no company with any sense whatsoever is going to kill off 90% of its market.
 
No, actually, it is you who is showing your arrogance here.

PS, please use their real name as using something like Micromoneys makes you look like a childish fool :)

Thanks a lot for all that. Really no need for any of it mate :mad: I'm sure you can make your points without being offensive.


Vista is faster than XP at pretty much everything, including DX9. It also has a lot of good improvements which add up to make it better than XP in many ways. The real improvement, however, is hidden below the surface. It is, in fact, designed for things like high end graphics and has the potential, once it has been exploited by non-bitching developers, to be vastly superior to XP.

Everyone was saying the same thing about XP when it came out. Come to think about it everyone has always said it about everything Microsoft do. Seems they can't do anything right, yet over 90% of the worlds computer uses suggest otherwise. People are just scared of change. Give it time and all will be well once again.

Vista has subtle improvements, but the question is, are they €250 worth? Does it really do that much more than XP that it's actually worth paying that money to upgrade? For the majority of users, I seriously doubt they would notice real difference in their day to day use. 98-XP was an upgrade in a different league, XP offered a much more stable kernal.

In practice, and I know a lot more people agree - XP handles DX9 games a bit better than Vista does. Stating that Vista is quicker in that repect is misleading to forum members.
 
In practice, and I know a lot more people agree - XP handles DX9 games a bit better than Vista does. Stating that Vista is quicker in that repect is misleading to forum members.

Its not misleading, Vista is now faster then xp for me at least
 
Vista has subtle improvements, *snip* Does it really do that much more than XP that it's actually worth paying that money to upgrade? For the majority of users, I seriously doubt they would notice real difference in their day to day use. *snip*

Great! Quickly, everyone immediately stop all software related development that doesn't have a visual or performance effect that is directly obvious to the end user. You may only develop on XP from now on, you may most certainly not create new frameworks that will help speed development in the future, it doesn't help your customers and isn't worth it.
 
Vista has subtle improvements, but the question is, are they €250 worth? Does it really do that much more than XP that it's actually worth paying that money to upgrade?
I'm afraid you do make yourself look childish by using names like "micromoneys". You also lose credability by quoting prices that are just not realistic for the vast majority of the population. Vista home premium is ~£60 for an OEM edition (with it's attendent licensing limitations) or ~£120 for a full retail upgrade if you want to be able to tranfer it to other machines for life.

You pretty much undermined any credence your actual argument may have had.
 
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Its not misleading, Vista is now faster then xp for me at least


ORLY?

Ok in widnows usage it's a lot better, but for games, it seems to be a lot worse for me.
But then again I'm still running drivers 2 months old, might try newer ones...
But supreme commander in xp for example, is just about playable, 15-20 fps under big 6 player battles with thousands of units, with some shoootouts to 10, but in vista fps just die and drop to 5-10 making it unplayable, sometimes shooting down to 1-2 fps for a sec or 2.

I love vista but these days ( I used to be vista booting to only for a few weeks) I'm booting to xp 99% of the time, mainly due to the fact I still have over 50 games ready to launch installed in xp, while in vista, I only have about 15 games iirc, only a few good ones, while 2/3rd of the good games just are unstable ( CoH, GTA:Vice and supcom to name a few ).
Also Upnp won't work in vista for me somehow, so many stuff won't open ports automaticly and because I've got a fishy router, means I can hardly open port...
Utorrent also dislikes Vista, red icon always.
 
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Yes but thats what I don't want to, I want stuff to be as easy as possible, wich is xp, hence I just don't bother in vista...

But games are definatly slower perhaps not on your hardware but on mine definatly...

I would use vista if it just had a bit more support for old stuff, and less security rubbish, superfetch alone would imo be enough for a new OS, but vista just annoys me too much with it's new LAN config, security whining ( have to run some stuff as admin instead of a quick double click, etc...).

nvm though not the post for this thread.



As for dx10, I doubt it really was designed to update 9.0c, imo it was just used as a selling point for vista, 9.0c imo looks nearly same wich would mean dx10 is actually a bit unneeded.
 
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Great! Quickly, everyone immediately stop all software related development that doesn't have a visual or performance effect that is directly obvious to the end user. You may only develop on XP from now on, you may most certainly not create new frameworks that will help speed development in the future, it doesn't help your customers and isn't worth it.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that Vista was built soley for the purpose of advancing computer technology/software engineering. It does a bit, but it comes at a price. It certainly advances DRM technology, for example. Is that a good thing? MS are a corporation too - they're out to make money, and frankly, are only interested in developing new frameworks if there's a few dollars in it for them.

It's an ok OS, but I have to point out that at least in my experiance, it has had poor driver support (slowly getting better), a few serious bugs on release and incompatibilities with some big apps. Now I aware that a lot of the fault isn't MS's, but at the same time, they did market Vista very heavily, when in fact a lot of users didn't really need it.

And anyone who says it's faster than XP in DX9 hasn't done any benchmarking. In that regard, it's still more of a downgrade than an upgrade. Hopefully that will change, but it's happening very slowly.

Having bought Vista on release, the fact that I still use my XP install for most games and some important apps speaks loud. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to finally get rid of XP and have just one OS, but Vista simply doesn't fill in all the gaps atm. That's not a good thing.

Back to the subject at hand - there's a lot of debate out there about weather DX10 could have been implemented in XP. I think if it was, developers would be more interested in it, and that alone would helpt to advance the framework much faster.
 
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