Gamers review - Dell 2407wfp vs Samsung 226bw vs 21" CRT

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Been really curious as to how they all compare from a gaming prospective, finally got all 3 in the same room having paid for all 3 and having no bias i feel i'd be in a good position to do a neutral review of all my thoughts and findings and at the same time hoping it'll hold more weight than "omg i just bought this and it owns!". If you don't like reading much feel free to just skip to the verdict at the bottom!

I read some so-called review sites opinions but being honest I just didn't trust them to have a clue what they are on about, and based on my personal findings i still don't! I wanted to say what i think about the screens, knowing it'd be very subjective but actually being as honest as possible and giving potential buyers a genuine insight into what they might be getting themselves in for.

As said in a previous review i did, i used to play gaming very competively and i'm extremely fussy about ghosting/tearing/input lag and all the issues normally assosiated with LCD screens but i do realise not everyone worries about this, a prime example is my girlfriend who still can't see any noticable ghosting at all even when im trying to point out exactly where it is !! :p This review is aimed at fussy people like myself :D and not at casual gamers, to which, most of my review would be totally irrelevent i'd imagine.

21" CRT - Its pretty much impossible to beat the smoothness of one of these when it comes to the lower resolutions such as 1024 x 768 @ 120hz which is the sort of resolution you'd be using if playing a game like cs:s / quakes / other first person shooters at a high level in a good clan...

However, if you run them in higher resolutions on most crt's result in the hz being dropped to 85hz they feel a hell of a lot more juttery, much more so than i'd say a samsung 226bw does @ 1680x1050 @ 60hz. They are still the benchmark for games if you play to win, its just a shame they have lots of weaknesses in some peoples eyes such as the size / widescreen ratio / out and out trendy-ness (!). They don't really serve any purpose anymore for casual every-day gamers.

The reason i finally turned to the darkside on my faithful CRT was not because of its performance in games (which tbh is absolutely fantastic compared to any lcd), not even because of the fact they're such big lumps as i have a huge desk, but more because i was sick of the eye strain when browsing especially. LCD's are in a league of their own when it comes to this and times do change.

Samsung 226BW

Really impressed with this screen generally. It copes extremely well on all ghosting fronts on any game but does suffer from tearing in a nasty way (at least compared to a good CRT at high hz) on first person shooters that are capped to 60fps. It seems far less problematic on first person shooters with an upcapped frame rate where if you have a good pc your fps will run into the hundreds, for whatever reason this really helps cut out the tearing (once v-sync is off and the fps is running 250fps+) to a point where i can genuinely see 95%+ of people could enjoy playing first person shooters on one of these in a sortof-competitive / casual way without any noticable disadvantage. Having said that I still feel that if your playing competitively then no lcd on the planet is a suitable replacement still for a good CRT. Samsung 226bw 1680x1050 vs 21" crt 1024 x 768 @ 120hz, CRT still has the crown by a reasonable margin. The samsung 226BW copes extremely well (basically better than a CRT) in any other type of game other than first person shooters. Its just flawless performance.

Dell 2407wfp

Got this new lcd up and running this morning and have been playing around with it ever since on every game i can. I must say i wasn't blown away by the increased viewing angles over the 226bw, i've heard so much about how tn panels suck etc etc!

Its clearly better and brighter with really vibrant colours, but to a lesser extent so is the 226bw. What immediately struck me was not the picture quality like i expected but just the pure size of the thing, feels a hell of a lot more than 2" difference and the general feel of the whole screen is a lot better, makes my 226bw look a bit puny tbh!

I really have mixed thoughts on the performance of the screen. It does clearly ghost on several games but not too badly, but its performance on first person shooters really is pretty appalling, not only compared to a CRT but even compared to the sammy 226bw. If you want a big screen and your a really casual gamer then it might well be suitable but i felt it was a real let down, the input lag was pretty noticable and the ghosting as you turn was worse than the youtube video's i'd seen (and worried about!) previously. Its all uphill from here though, seeing things like pro evo 6, command and conquer 3, various racing games etc was simply amazing on such a big screen. Very smooth, brilliant colours, absolutely huge screen compared to both the crt and the 226bw.

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Verdict (imo!!)

None of the screens are perfect, and all of them quite far from it. CRT is horrible for eyestrain and looks small (screen size) and accient looking compared to some of the more recent LCD's. The Dell 2407wfp picture quality is very impressive but the 226bw's is still in the same league, even if near the bottom of that league! The Samsung 226BW feels like a very good option if moving from a CRT with a lot of concerns regarding ghosting. If your likely to sit in windows a lot and/or play games such as wow/rpg's/slower paced games then the dell 2407wfp is simply amazing and you'll be blown away. So basically (imo!!)....

21" CRT = Diehard fans of quick fast paced first person shooters. LCD's wipe the floor with CRT's in higher resolutions now, even on first person shooters. I'd much prefer a 226bw @ 1680x1050 on a first person shooter than a CRT @ 1600x1200 @ 85hz. Its just that feel of 120hz/150hz on first person shooters that LCD's can't compete with yet.

Samsung 226BW = A pretty good, and almost budget alternative to a good CRT, if you hate ghosting and you can't keep a CRT anymore then this is really the screen to get. I have no issue with viewing angles or the colours, both are better than they are made out to be imo. Its just a very sound buy thats very hard to be disappointed with.

Dell 2407wfp = It does have weaknesses with ghosting (which are only really ever a big issue on first person shooters, even racing games run pretty nicely) but it copes with all other types of games very well, and the massive screen is really good to see and really adds to the all-round enjoyment of gaming. In a way this is the 'casual gamers choice' and is an extremely good all-rounder outside first person shooters. It'll be so much easier to live with on a day to day basis playing the sort of games i play right now (footy games / racing games / rts games) and has a wow factor the other 2 both lack.

Sorry to everybody i have offended! :D
 
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Good review - and don't worry about offending anyone, you're just giving your opinions :D

The only things I don't agree with IMO is the viewing angles on the samsung - my bro' in law just got the 206bw, and as soon as you move your head down slightly, it goes dark. This is what stopped me from getting the 245bw, and made me get the 2407fpw. The other thing is that I love playing FPS games, and I have been playing FEAR and Stalker a lot since Friday when I got the Dell, and I honestly can't notice any ghosting. Maybe I have just come to ignore it, as I am now on my third TFT, so It's about three years since I used a CRT for gaming.

Anyway, like I said, these are all just opinions ;)
 
definitely :D well both opinions are very useful..the more the better!

What i meant by the viewing angles is that although i acknowledge the dell's are better, i didn't feel the samsungs were enough to put me off or bother me really. I expected the difference to be a little more drastic.

Yea i've always felt strongly about the ghosting and felt more ghosting on any game over the 226bw, even things like pro evo 6. I imagine this would bother...maybe 5% of gamers, rest wouldn't notice these days.

Both the lcd's i reviewed really have totally different audiences. Dell 24" more of a casual gaming / browsing one and the samsung 22" smaller but more dedicated for people who miss their beloved CRT perhaps!
 
Interesting stuff :)

I think a lot of people misunderstand about viewing angles, they assume we're talking about left/right viewing angles, which aren't that bad on TN, but the vertical viewing angles mean you get a noticeable gradient from the top to the bottom of the screen and you get colour shift if your head moves up and down.

Well, that's what the vertical viewing angles were like on the two TN panels I've owned (Digimate L1916D, Samsung SM913B), I'm not saying they're necessarily like that on the SM226BW since I've never used one (or a 2407 for that matter). With the SM913B I was constantly adjusting the screen tilt. I personally found that a lot more annoying than the slight ghosting on my 2007WFP. I was trying to play games and could see that the top quarter of the screen was going black and the bottom quarter pale. There was never a 'sweet spot' where the colours were even across the screen.

I would like to have a look at a newer TN panel like in the SM226BW sometime to see how much TN viewing angles have improved.

I'm not surprised to hear you think the 2407 ghosts though since I've heard other people say that here. Despite the 6 ms rating I don't think PVA has quite achieved the responsiveness of the quickest TN or even IPS panels. My 2007WFP with its S-IPS panel ghosts too, although thankfully not a huge amount.
 
I'd have to agree with you on the vertical viewing angles, they do sorta darken unless you have your eyesight sort of 2-3"'s above the middle of the screen, which on my setup is quite easy to do but without the monitor having any real adjustability it could be a nightmare on other peoples setups.

Theres definitely no change in gradients horizontally unless your playing a 2 player game with one of you sat to the left of the screen and one to the right. If your gaming sat directly in front of the set theres definitely no horizontal change in gradient.

The more i use the dell the more i notice it ghosting actually on pretty much any but also i am now starting to notice how much brighter the screen is on the dell, and i guess how much better quality the whole thing is. The dell might ghost like a b**** but theres just something about it, it really has a wow factor. The pictures undersell them so badly imo. If the samsung 226bw was as good as it is but in 24" form with the same overdrives and no further drawbacks from an even bigger tn panel then I suspect it'd be very nice. I'd love to get my hands on one of them new viewsonic 28"'s, especially if the claimed 3ms (yes yes grey to grey i know!) is because of overdrives added.
 
ANd the winner is the 21" CRT by a country mile
no wAY am i getting an overpriced £150 worth of tech with a shiny samsung logo and marked up to +£200 22"tft namely the samsung.It's no different imo
to the lg 22" which can be had for £190.
 
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fish99 said:
There was never a 'sweet spot' where the colours were even across the screen.
Just wanted to clarify what I meant here. By 'across' I didn't mean horizontally I just meant 'across the whole screen' as in everywhere. In other words there was an inconsistency to the colours, but from top to bottom, not side to side.

The SM913B must have been one of the worst screens ever for this - I think they were really pushing the envelope of what response time they could get from a TN in the pre-overdrive days.
 
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ANd the winner is the 21" CRT by a country mile
no wAY am i getting an overpriced £150 worth of tech with a shiny samsung logo and marked up to +£200 22"tft namely the samsung.It's no different imo
to the lg 22" which can be had for £190.

Well it really does depend totally on what type of game you play. I was a proper die-hard CRT gamer for years and years since quake1 days until pretty recently.



If you play first person shooters competitively then CRT is the only option, accept no substitute!

If you have the money and play games like Wow/rpg's and browsing then the 24" wins hands down.

If you play all types of games on on a casual basis and have a reasonable budget, the 226bw is a serious contender over a CRT if you wanted a more relaxed and nice widescreen experience.

If you browse and don't play games, anything other than a headache inducing CRT will do!

No screen is perfect allround and theres definitely a market for them all imo.

I remember people getting laughed at, at lans for using optical mice years and years ago when they first appeared(kids on CS mostly!). They progressed and now everyone has one...lcd's will make this same progression and are already half way there imo!
 
What i am trying to say is there's very little difference it seems between a lot of these tn panel 22" screens on the inside and performance wise they are almost identical from what i have seen in a shop but i can't test gaming in a shop can I.
I would like to see a pepsi style challenge
where you are not brainwashed into thinking something is better because it has
the right badge brand name on it.Like on the gadget show they did something similar with lcd tv's.
 
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Nice review.

I'll just add that I've never had a headache using my CRT, and that inclused using it for marathon sittings on EQ a while back.

It's about what you pay for at the time you get it. I paid a lot for my 450 pro, but it is still a quality monitor. Shame I took some of the anti reflection coating off when trying to remove a stubborn finger print.

personally i'm still undecided. thanks for the effort of putting down your opinions though.
 
Thanks :)

btw monitor model is that? One im comparing the lcd's with is my 21" iiyana which can do 1280x1024 @ 120hz, but 1600x1200 @ 120hz is pretty impressive :D

Does it need the monitor drivers putting on to achieve this?
 
I just wanted to chime in with a similar opinion really. I went from gaming on a 17" CTX PR711F using 1024x768@100hz to my newly acquired 19" Samsung 931bw using 1440x900@60hz. In almost all games I've got, I feel the LCD works out much better as the increased resolution and viewable screen space on offer make for a more immersive experience all round. The one exception is cs 1.6. I'd say the LCD screen handles it pretty badly since I get large amounts of tearing whether or not vsync is enabled and it just doesn't seem able to cope with the often frenetic pace of the game. No more silky smooth cs for me :(
 
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