Garage Conversion Networking 26m from House

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I have Gigaclear gigabit and use the Linksys Atlas Pro 6 Velop Dual Band Whole Home Mesh WiFi 6 System (AX5400) - WiFi Router system

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I'm currently having my separate garage from my house converted into a gym but I want to run a 50m ethernet from the Main Router Hub (Amazon) which is around 26m away to the wall of my garage. I was thinking of this one: Please don't link to competitors

The reason is I am no networker so thought this might be easier? I would have course feed it into some kind of trunking.

Is this a good idea?

I was also wondering though when I bring it into the Garage wall, is there a faceplate I should look out for which means I can just pug into the back of it without having to cut off the end and wire in? I hope I wouldn't lose too much of the speed?

thanks in advance
 
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Your best bet is to buy some CAT6 bare cable, 2 face plates, and a punchdown tool.
It's super easy to make network cables and you can then run exactly the length you need and have it nice and tidy at both ends.

Ideally you don't want ends on a long cable. They should be punched down on a faceplate.
 
Hi there, thanks for your advice. So even a complete novice like me can do this you think and not lose any speed.
What kind of cabling should I be looking at for this as it will be in need of being buried outside?

Also, should I consider Cat 7 to future-proof it?
 
I have a similar project coming up soon, I was going to use cat6 but I have also seen premade fibre optic cables which you can buy converters for, seems like a more foolproof option (as no terminating/punches to do).
 
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Wow never heard of this, have you got a link?
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Im not 100% sure yet (looking into it still but);


Above cable, I believe multimode is fine for this distance. EDIT: The converter is for single mode, changed the cable.

And x2 of these or a switch with a fibre port;


Again I would need someone to confirm this is correct but assume its along these lines. I plan to run a 50m one of these in a duct, a fibre port switch inside the house and then a converter in the garage to a another switch.
 
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You could do that if you wanted but it isn't worth it in my opinion. You can do 10 gig on copper Cat6a cable on distances of up to 100 metres.

To go the fibre route you'd need a media converter like that one linked, but you'd also need the relevant SFP module for it (which is listed off the same page at around £16 too). There's no need to use single mode fibre with a 50m run so you may as well go with multi mode fibre instead and you'd want an LC to LC cable rather than SC to SC.

So, multi mode fibre LC to LC cable, two media converters (which also need their own power supply) and two LC SFP modules compatible with the media converter. You're looking at £86 or so for all this (£66 for the media converters and SFPs and around £20 on top for 30m or so of LC to LC multi mode fibre) or less than £20 for 30 metres of Cat6a cable. Of course if you have SFP capable 10Gb switches at one or each end already that could change things, but there's just no benefit to fibre over short runs, especially as 10Gb over copper should be more than enough for a long time yet. Besides you never know, Cat6a could end up being good enough for shorter runs on 25Gb Ethernet if we get that over anything other than fibre or DAC cable :)
 
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You could do that if you wanted but it isn't worth it in my opinion. You can do 10 gig on copper Cat6a cable on distances of up to 100 metres.

To go the fibre route you'd need a media converter like that one linked, but you'd also need the relevant SFP module for it (which is listed off the same page at around £16 too). There's no need to use single mode fibre with a 50m run so you may as well go with multi mode fibre instead and you'd want an LC to LC cable rather than SC to SC.

So, multi mode fibre LC to LC cable, two media converters (which also need their own power supply) and two LC SFP modules compatible with the media converter. You're looking at £86 or so for all this (£66 for the media converters and SFPs and around £20 on top for 30m or so of LC to LC multi mode fibre) or less than £20 for 30 metres of Cat6a cable. Of course if you have SFP capable 10Gb switches at one or each end already that could change things, but there's just no benefit to fibre over short runs, especially as 10Gb over copper should be more than enough for a long time yet. Besides you never know, Cat6a could end up being good enough for shorter runs on 25Gb Ethernet if we get that over anything other than fibre or DAC cable :)
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Ok I think it makes sense, I need to find 23AWG solid copper Cat6 right? Any recommendations for 30-50m? Outdoor?

I also heard that I need to keep away from CCA ? Copper Clad Aluminum cables
 
Yes CCA cable is a bit more flexible but it's a bit crap and it feels cheap too. That said, I've got a 40 metre run of CCA Cat5e cable in my house giving me gigabit speeds quite happily with no problem at all so it depends on what you want really. I'm not replacing it because I've got no issue and I just can't be bothered :)

You'll want some proper outdoor cable unless you're going to run it through a duct. Cat6 will do 10Gb at up to, I think, 55 metres while Cat6a is 10Gb at up to 100 metres. So realistically either of those will do just fine in your situation and give you plenty of futureproofing too.
 
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Running Outdoor Ethernet Cable: Tips, Techniques and Best Practices

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If you’re running shielded Ethernet cable outside between two buildings (buried or not), it is very important to avoid what is known as a ground loop. This situation arises when the building electrical mains have different ground potentials. This can result in voltage injection through the cable if the cable is running to ground at both ends through the different AC grounds.
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I would use fiber ;)
 
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I would use fiber ;)
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Wow this is getting even more complex now. How do I stop this from happening?
 
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My preference would to be use fiber, the other option is just to run the cable and take the risk (as many do) ;)

Nice 10 GigE fiber link would be great and no fear of frying your electrics however low risk, I'm one of those people that if something can go wrong it does go wrong so I just err on the side of caution!
 
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Or just don't use shielded cable. Some non-shielded Cat6 will still give you 10 gig capability for the future too.

The link itself even says there's no real need:

"Generally, I recommend using unshielded cabling unless there is a valid need for shielded, such as when burying the cable within 8” of electrical wire on parallel runs. The other primary reason to use shielded is for ESD (Electrostatic Discharge) drain off such as when running outdoor Ethernet cable above ground in structure-to-structure scenarios. ESD build up occurs with dry air movement across cabling, and could ruin your network equipment if not allowed to discharge to ground. "
 
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This is something I've been wondering about too, I'm looking at running power and network to my (tiny) workshop at some point in the near future and would need to run power and network cables together, which I know is not ideal but it is what it is. Seems shielded cat6 would be my best bet.
 
Cool so ok to just run Cat 6 in ducting along with armoured cable? (armoured mainly because there will be place at the start and end where it will need to be above ground)
 
I would put the Cat6 in the duct and bury the power cable in the ground, you don't need to put armoured cable in a duct and it's a pain to pull round bends anyway. If just the data cable is in the duct then you can pull fibre or whatever through it later on without having to mess with a mains cable.
 
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