Garage messed up, course of action?

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Took my Kia Sportage into an official garage on Friday - where I bought it from too - as my wipers were playing up. Basically everything but the fast setting didn't work, so intermediate, auto (rain sensing), one-click manual (stick down) or wipe-after-spraying.

They claimed that it's a rain sensor issue and I pulled the cable to it out when fitting a dashcam, causing it to short, therefore it's not covered by the warranty. They said they'd tested it with another part and it worked fine and quoted me £330 to fit a new one. Told them to leave it, and assuming that was the problem lined up a replacement part to buy off the bay for £30.

I didn't even touch the rain sensor when fitting the cam, it's not hardwired into the power and the closest I'd have come to it is hiding the USB cable along the top of the windscreen. I haven't been able to research whether that even controls anything but the auto setting.

Picked the car up this morning, no more info given on pickup, only to get home and find the rear parking sensors or electric mirrors don't work.

Stupidly, despite them obviously knowing I had a dashcam, there's various things said on it which show them up. Firstly at no point do the wipers work correctly when the windscreen is sprayed, so I can only assume the "we've fitted another part and it worked fine" is bull. Other main bits are some guy explaining to his boss "you're not going to like it... you're not going to like it" for a bit before the cam cuts out. Half an hour after this I get the call explaining above, yet they carry on working on the car for another hour and the next morning. During this bit I can only assume they're trying to fix the parking sensors and electric mirrors, and then at one point his colleague basically suggests just leaving a fuse out, "if it's us then it's us" and the main guy saying "he'll notice his parking sensors don't work won't he" to which his colleague responds "he will when he hits something hahaha".

So basically they knowingly broke it and tried to just get away with it, somehow.

Just for cause of doubt the mirrors and sensors definitely worked before, you can also hear the parking sensors when they're driving it around the garage before they start work.

Going to take it there first thing on Monday again but wondering how strong to start; go in with dashcam footage and see manager or leave that out to start with. My initial thoughts are obviously fix what they definitely broke and due to the faff and my lack of trust get them to replace the rain sensor too - if that's the issue.

Ta!

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I know. I've had my fair share of idiots so I always go to chains now so I can at least escalate any issue. Don't know if you remember that problem I had with the used tyre exploding where I won the court case in the end, so I'm not afraid of going big :p.
 
Well you've got video and audio evidence of them breaking a key part of the electrical system on your car. Surely this has legal ramifications for them now, because if you are reversing tomorrow and some child manages to get in the way suddenly and you hit them because the parking sensors didn't work, then the dealer is liable for this are they not?

Don't know what others would suggest, but I'd copy the video files of those segments to my phone, go into the dealer (or a main KIA HQ?), speak to a manager there and play the video back.

Unless you want to go the name and shame route and take it to the papers. They've done this to your car and luckily forgot that you had a cam running, who knows how many other people they have defrauded this way and continue to do so, or how many accidents have occurred because of their negligence, with the vehicle driver involved being totally none the wiser.
 
Oh lawd, you've got footage? They've got to be dim if they know there's a dashcam but didn't turn it off.

I'd not let them know about the footage first and see where they go with just questioning them about it.
 
It boggles the mind that they could hand the car over knowing the parking sensors no longer worked. Whats the point? You'd obviously notice.
 
if you are reversing tomorrow and some child manages to get in the way suddenly and you hit them because the parking sensors didn't work, then the dealer is liable for this are they not?

Most stupid thing I've read on here all week. Wow.

Of course not.

Parking sensors are never a substitute for driver awareness and only an aid - if you run a kid down you are to blame irrespective of whether the optional driver aids on your car broke or not.
 
Go in, ask to speak with the DP and show him the video. Ensure you have a copy and say very little other than we can fix this my way to my satisfaction or we can get messy. I prefer we do it my way, which is put everything right at your cost and then we can forget about the video. Fight me and the problem goes to Kia and Youtube....though thinking about it I would probably do the latter and **** the dealer over. I HATE people treating customers as idiots.
 
[TW]Fox;28753532 said:
It boggles the mind that they could hand the car over knowing the parking sensors no longer worked. Whats the point? You'd obviously notice.

Well they're not particularly honest, I'd assume they plan on claiming the OP broke them too. It would bring in to question the legitimacy of their claims that the OP had broken the rain sensory too for me.
 
[TW]Fox;28753539 said:
Most stupid thing I've read on here all week. Wow.

Of course not.

Parking sensors are never a substitute for driver awareness and only an aid - if you run a kid down you are to blame irrespective of whether the optional driver aids on your car broke or not.

:confused: No. You're just assuming that's what I meant, because internet innit.

I never said it was a substitute. There "could" be a situation where someone/some thing gets quickly in the way on either side and it could get hit - Whereas if the sensor was working then you'd hear about it before you saw it in the mirrors or through the windows. That was what I was getting at.
 
I never said it was a substitute. There "could" be a situation where someone/some thing gets quickly in the way on either side and it could get hit - Whereas if the sensor was working then you'd hear about it before you saw it in the mirrors or through the windows. That was what I was getting at.

But its irrelevant because the driver is the one in control of the car and is liable irrespective of the operational status of parking sensors or the reason they are faulty.

This is why, for example, every OEM backup camera has CHECK SURROUNDINGS FOR SAFETY emblazoned on the image as a disclaimer...
 
:confused: No. You're just assuming that's what I meant, because internet innit.

I never said it was a substitute. There "could" be a situation where someone/some thing gets quickly in the way on either side and it could get hit - Whereas if the sensor was working then you'd hear about it before you saw it in the mirrors or through the windows. That was what I was getting at.

Dude, you have gotta be crapping me here.

OP, exploit the garage. I'd have no problem with this. They have no problem with being dishonest with you, so you should have no problem returning the favour.
 
Wait, so they noticed it had a dashcam fitted, but still decided to say stuff like that when they were in the car? Even by motor trade standards, that's spectacularly retarded.
 
[TW]Fox;28753662 said:
But its irrelevant because the driver is the one in control of the car and is liable irrespective of the operational status of parking sensors or the reason they are faulty.

This is why, for example, every OEM backup camera has CHECK SURROUNDINGS FOR SAFETY emblazoned on the image as a disclaimer...

It does sound a bit silly I admit.
 
[TW]Fox;28753500 said:
Just what on earth is it about the motor trade?! Unbelievable.

I'm sure people think I'm a cynical old git (and they'd have a point to be fair), but when it comes to the motor trade, honesty is a rare commodity.
 
Speak to the garage manager - explain calmly the situation and the evidence/footage you have. There should be nothing else required once you've set out your stall, he should know what to do. If not speak to Kia customer services - they were superb when my wife's sportage had issues with suspension problems and couldn't have been more helpful.
 
Send it into bbc watchdog.

You never know how many other people they have conned.

Rename this thread to include Kia and upload video to youtube and post link here.

Ocuk usually gets a decent rank on Google.
 
Send it into bbc watchdog.

You never know how many other people they have conned.

Rename this thread to include Kia and upload video to youtube and post link here.

Or, rather than going way OTT to begin with, have a meeting with the Service Manager and/or DP of the garage as they may be totally unaware that they have a technician that's doing shoddy work for them like this.

But hey, this is the modern World where people would like to make an issue bigger than it needs to be and get all dramatic... no one died so do the appropriate thing is to speak to the management team of the dealership in the first instance like the OP suggests.
 
Yep completely agree, this is a recurring theme around here - people with 80% of the facts being encouraged to go nuclear before taking the simple and reasonable approach first.

It sounds very clear and you have evidence - put a letter with all of the facts clearly stated and without emotion to the garage and give them the opportunity to put it right. If they don't then move on from there. Tell them you expect the original fault resolved, the new faults resolved and something by way of appropriate compensation.

Situations like this don't have to be nearly as stressful as a lot of people would make them - accept that it's annoying, that there are **** people on the motor trade, just take the least stressful and impactful way to fix it
 
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