GeForce GTX 1160 incoming ?

[Gripen90]

Now what is going on - are we to continue getting the GTX series of cards or will this just be one of a kind ?

"Yesterday I received I tip that NVIDIA is set to launch GeForce RTX 2060 and GeForce GTX 1160 mid-January. Today, Chinese website Expreview claims that this is indeed true.

NVIDIA would split branding into GeForce RTX and GeForce GTX series, the former would stick to 20xx naming scheme, while the latter would use 11xx. This is partially what some GPU enthusiasts were expecting months ago.

The new series would still feature Turing GPUs, but their different variants. It is said that GeForce RTX 2060 will feature TU106-200 GPU, while the GeForce GTX 1160 would feature TU116 instead."

https://videocardz.com/79425/exprev...FS5x5EMM1ZJ8F7kFN1hTT9WHroH2PpWLUjJmamIXBjowM

 

[LePhuronn]

Sounds like something for the Chinese market or mass-production OEMs. Nvidia can take the "improvements" from Turing and disable all the RTX technology from the die (probably a low-binned one too), smash it onto the same PCB with slower memory and sell them to all the Chinese internet cafés as they've done before. Same with mass-produced OEMs who don't need RTX tech but still need graphics cards.

Nvidia weren't going to stop producing low-end disposable cards just because they have dreams of ray tracing.

 

[Samwell]

I don't think it'll be only for chinese market. RT Cores are just too slow on the small cards, so it makes sense to cut it out from the design. Should be a direct 1060 replacement and they can't do that with the massive Dies they have at the moment.
As x06 chips normally are half x04 chips (expcept TU106) i expect the same again for TU116. Half a TU104 would be 1536 Shaders and either 192Bit or 128 Bit Interface. This could put it 30% in front of the 1060.

 

[LePhuronn]

I don't think it'll be only for chinese market. RT Cores are just too slow on the small cards, so it makes sense to cut it out from the design.

RT cores are just too slow on the big cards too. Nvidia are not going to confuse the market places by continuing the GTX name with an 1100 series outside of niche markets, they'll do a RTX 2050 and RTX 2050 Ti which might even have some token RT and Tensor cores on it to dupe customers at the low end as always. The really low end stuff might use a RT moniker (e.g. RT2030).

Should be a direct 1060 replacement in terms of price and they can't do that with the massive Dies they have at the moment.

What makes you think Nvidia have to do anything of the sort? "Should be", well the 2080 Ti "should be" £799 but it's not. The 2080 "should be" 30% faster than a GTX 1080 Ti but it's not.

 

[Dicehunter]

It's a shame they didn't release a 2070, 2080 and 2080 Ti GTX versions with no Tensor cores or RT cores for those of us that really don't want either and just wanted the raw horse power of more cores and a newer architecture, This way they could still sell RT cards and non RT cards, Double dip the market so to speak.

 

[D.P.]

It's a shame they didn't release a 2070, 2080 and 2080 Ti GTX versions with no Tensor cores or RT cores for those of us that really don't want either and just wanted the raw horse power of more cores and a newer architecture, This way they could still sell RT cards and non RT cards, Double dip the market so to speak.

No one forced you to use ray tracing, just dont enable it and you have yourself a GTX Turing , simples

 

[Dicehunter]

No one forced you to use ray tracing, just dont enable it and you have yourself a GTX Turing , simples

Missed the point completely bud, If they released a card but without the RT and Tensor cores it would be much cheaper and it would be accessible to a much wider audience that really has no interest in AI or RT.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

RT cores are just too slow on the big cards too. Nvidia are not going to confuse the market places by continuing the GTX name with an 1100 series outside of niche markets, they'll do a RTX 2050 and RTX 2050 Ti which might even have some token RT and Tensor cores on it to dupe customers at the low end as always. The really low end stuff might use a RT moniker (e.g. RT2030).



What makes you think Nvidia have to do anything of the sort? "Should be", well the 2080 Ti "should be" £799 but it's not. The 2080 "should be" 30% faster than a GTX 1080 Ti but it's not.

So maybe call one an RTX2060 TI and the other the GTX2060, problem solved. At some stage Nvidia need a midrange card hitting £250 price bracket even if initially they price it higher. Meanwhile some will pay the extra for the bells and whistles.

 

[LePhuronn]

It's a shame they didn't release a 2070, 2080 and 2080 Ti GTX versions with no Tensor cores or RT cores for those of us that really don't want either and just wanted the raw horse power of more cores and a newer architecture, This way they could still sell RT cards and non RT cards, Double dip the market so to speak.

But the RTX technology isn't a separate chip Nvidia bolt onto the PCB, it's a mahoosive die. So if Nvidia did what you suggest then either they're designing and fabricating 2 entirely separate entities or sticking with the same die but scrapping the RTX cores. Then there is no horsepower improvement really once you strip out the RTX technology. The RTX is equivalent to the previous GTX 10 tier or thereabouts? So even then the 20 series wouldn't really be worth the price increase (because Nvidia would still charge more). Plus given how woeful the RTX implementation is as a first generation, nobody would buy the RTX cards because they're not worth the money. Hell, were already seeing a lot of people not pay the RTX premium because the hardware is underpowered to support what little software exists.

So maybe call one an RTX2060 TI and the other the GTX2060, problem solved. At some stage Nvidia need a midrange card hitting £250 price bracket even if initially they price it higher. Meanwhile some will pay the extra for the bells and whistles.

Who says Nvidia need something at the £250 mark? Who says Nvidia want something at the £250 mark? Who says Nvidia even have anything that could operate at that price point? Even if that Navi RX 3080 comes in at exactly the spec and price in the leak, it's still not a 1080 Ti. With all this overstock Nvidia apparently have, they can simply smash out the remaining 1080 Ti and 1080 stock at Navi prices to undercut all those who don't want RTX tech, leaving Turing to the elites.

Ray tracing and AI is the selling point of the RTX series, Nvidia will see no need to compromise that exclusivity. And if Navi without RT takes market share from RTX then Nvidia will just accelerate their 7nm plans, actually make the RTX hardware viable and usable and stamp on Arcturus before AMD even have chance to talk about it.

 

[ANDREW GREEN]

Who says Nvidia need something at the £250 mark? Who says Nvidia want something at the £250 mark? Who says Nvidia even have anything that could operate at that price point? Even if that Navi RX 3080 comes in at exactly the spec and price in the leak, it's still not a 1080 Ti. With all this overstock Nvidia apparently have, they can simply smash out the remaining 1080 Ti and 1080 stock at Navi prices to undercut all those who don't want RTX tech, leaving Turing to the elites.

Ray tracing and AI is the selling point of the RTX series, Nvidia will see no need to compromise that exclusivity. And if Navi without RT takes market share from RTX then Nvidia will just accelerate their 7nm plans, actually make the RTX hardware viable and usable and stamp on Arcturus before AMD even have chance to talk about it.

Isn't the £200-£300 the biggest chunk of the market? Hence they want a strong proposition in that price band. If they release a 1080 at sub £300 they make more expensive 2060 and 2070 redundant for most purchasers.

If they bring 7nm early then what do they do with all their 2000 series stock? That doesn't make sense from an economies of scale perspective

Now they don't really have a problem until Navi comes out but when it does you'd imagine they'd adjust their prices.

 

[LePhuronn]

Isn't the £200-£300 the biggest chunk of the market? Hence they want a strong proposition in that price band.

Of course it is, but try telling Nvidia that. Pray tell what do you propose they do to fill that segment? Based on current prices, an RTX 2060 is probably going to be £370 ish, and its RTX capabilities are going to be minimal. Traditional workloads would put it about GTX 1070 levels? So does that mean Nvidia have to produce a RTX 2050 (or Ti) based on an even more cut down TU106 to get offer GTX 1060 performance in the £200-300 bracket?

If they release a 1080 at sub £300 they make more expensive 2060 and 2070 redundant for most purchasers.

Everything other than the RTX 2080 Ti already IS redundant to most purchasers. Ray tracing is woeful, nobody's bothering with DLSS and by the time any developers bother with it Nvidia will be talking 7nm anyway (I'm thinking Q3 2020). The only reason most purchasers aren't lapping up the GTX 10 series is because Nvidia don't seem to actually be selling their supposed surplus, because they know it'll kill RTX sales - wonderful circle there.

If they bring 7nm early then what do they do with all their 2000 series stock? That doesn't make sense from an economies of scale perspective.

Well I don't know. What are they doing with all their 10 series stock?

Now they don't really have a problem until Navi comes out but when it does you'd imagine they'd adjust their prices.

Nvidia still have 9 months before Navi arrives. Navi won't do squat to Nvidia's top-end market share, Navi probably won't do squat to Nvidia's upper-mid share because of the green-tinted glasses the uneducated masses seem to wear. And as a result, I actually don't see Nvidia bothering with the £300 and below segment. Let people have their silly Navi cards, because you're only a proper gamer if you buy Nvidia and buy RTX. So no, I don't see them adjusting their prices. Unless there is a major breakdown in mindshare and perception, Nvidia won't need to adjust their prices.

 

[Nasher]

Isn't the £200-£300 the biggest chunk of the market? Hence they want a strong proposition in that price band. If they release a 1080 at sub £300 they make more expensive 2060 and 2070 redundant for most purchasers.

If they bring 7nm early then what do they do with all their 2000 series stock? That doesn't make sense from an economies of scale perspective

Now they don't really have a problem until Navi comes out but when it does you'd imagine they'd adjust their prices.

If it's more than about £250 it's automatically redundant from day one tbh. Plus it looks like it will only have 6gb vram when all AMD's mid range cards are on 8.

Ray-tracing and DLSS is still pretty irrelevant and doesn't run well enough even on the top end cards, let alone mid range stuff.