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Geforce GTX1180/2080 Speculation thread

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by Tommy_Here, 8 May 2018.

  1. miceormen

    Gangster

    Joined: 26 Feb 2008

    Posts: 434

    Acceptability is out of the window, long gone. The market has changed and its priced most PC gamers out of it. Nvidia and ATI might as well change the name from GPU to PCI-E Supercomputer. Challenge now is to find a happy medium where you get measurable performance over say an Xbox One X with a PC for say, £1,000, which ironically makes the price of the high-end stuff all the more important because it'll command mid-range GPU prices.
     
  2. Dirk Diggler

    Capodecina

    Joined: 6 Jan 2013

    Posts: 17,607

    I know, I was referring to the £799+ comment by the other guy.

    Calm down, dear.
     
  3. Rikk82

    Gangster

    Joined: 14 Oct 2008

    Posts: 256

    Location: Brighton

    My guess, the 1180 will be at least £699, minimum.
     
  4. Spyhop

    Soldato

    Joined: 16 May 2005

    Posts: 6,508

    Location: Cold waters

    Lol, it's a high-tech luxury good, not a life staple.

    Nvidia deserve as much profit as they can get away with, as natural reward for doing untouchable engineering in recent years. If what they do was easy, they'd have real completion.
     
  5. DarrenM343

    Soldato

    Joined: 19 Oct 2008

    Posts: 5,647

    What's inflation got to do with it? Not a lot :). GPU's aren't a necessity. And there's far much more to pricing and a company selecting what to sell their products at than inflation.Supply/demand the main two, and of course how much £ they have invested in R&D another....among many more.
    NV is way ahead of the competition and I think they've probaby also spent a fair few £££ to get there.
    We'd all play the pricing game if we ran such a successful business.
     
  6. FoxEye

    Caporegime

    Joined: 17 Feb 2006

    Posts: 28,623

    Location: Cornwall

    It's not all genius (although certainly they have a lot of great talent).

    The broken US patent system is very much responsible for the lack of competition. The biggest factor in fact.

    Basically nobody else but AMD and nV can make GPUs, regardless of how much engineering talent they have. Intel can only make GPUs because of a partnership with AMD.

    Only AMD and Intel can make x86 CPUs. You think other companies don't have the talent? No, they don't have the patents. And with patents for even the simplest of "innovations" being granted daily ("rounded corners", anyone?) and lasting 20 years, I'm afraid the patent system is killing competition single-handedly.
     
  7. Boomstick777

    Capodecina

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    Posts: 11,700

    Location: UK.

    ^^ Good post.
     
  8. FoxEye

    Caporegime

    Joined: 17 Feb 2006

    Posts: 28,623

    Location: Cornwall

    And just to give an idea how generic those patents are, here are some that AMD own:

    "Using a frame buffer to store and process a large amount of data"
    "Texture processing circuitry"

    Good luck making a GPU and not infringing those ;)

    That's why AMD and nV have cross licensing agreements, because otherwise not even they could make a GPU without infringing each other's "patents".

    The whole system is broken beyond belief, but US mega-corps love it so it won't change (as long as US politicians can be legally "lobbied" - aka bought).
     
  9. RanxZy

    Wise Guy

    Joined: 15 Jun 2009

    Posts: 2,182

    Location: South London

    Interesting to observe the discounts on the aftermarket 1080s right now, the 1080 Armor is about £100 less than its launch price two years ago.

    I smell new shiny tech is incoming. Get ready for the pre-order queues gents :D
     
  10. miceormen

    Gangster

    Joined: 26 Feb 2008

    Posts: 434

    Credit cards at dawn.
     
  11. TNA

    Capodecina

    Joined: 13 Mar 2008

    Posts: 19,607

    Location: London

    Got my money ready for a 1180 milk'em edition bro :D
     
  12. Nv Gfx Prgmr

    Associate

    Joined: 13 May 2018

    Posts: 1

    It irks me to see people believe in baseless speculation spread around by rumor mill sites.
    I will say that the supposedly leaked GTX 1180/1170 specs are completely false.

    Here is some food for though for all those waiting on Nvidia's next generation: no new GPUs will be announced at Computex this year but instead you will see more of the Big Format Gaming Display as well as 4k 144hz G-Sync HDR monitors.

    On the topic of new cards I will say that there will be no 12nm Nvidia gaming GPUs being released in August or similar time frames.
    As far as I know Nvidia's new gaming GPUs will be on 7nm and their current release window is set for late November which could be pushed back . If you want/need a new gaming GPU, do not wait, buy Pascal now or you will find yourself waiting until the end of the year or possibly even longer.
     
  13. Random Guy Esq.

    Mobster

    Joined: 1 Jun 2014

    Posts: 4,283

    Sounds legit.
     
  14. Nevakonaza

    Soldato

    Joined: 7 Jan 2009

    Posts: 5,678

    Again 256 bit bus,Why are Nvidia always holding back on the Bus compared to AMD cards?

    I know it probably dont make a huge difference ive always just wondered this.
     
  15. FoxEye

    Caporegime

    Joined: 17 Feb 2006

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    Location: Cornwall

    The people that know for sure wouldn't be posting that info here, or anywhere, if they valued their jobs.

    So there's no reason to believe you any more than the rumour mill sites ;)
     
  16. miceormen

    Gangster

    Joined: 26 Feb 2008

    Posts: 434

    Surely its in the interest of an 'Nv gfx prgmr' for us to be salivating over what's coming such that demand strengthens and when supply comes, his employer gets higher revenues.
     
  17. RyanWork2018

    Associate

    Joined: 24 Apr 2018

    Posts: 20

    I really want to buy my new PC already got £3k to burn now, but I really don't want to get a 1080TI if this is around the corner.. I was going to get that intel system with a 1070TI just to save money .. the struggle is real just don't know what to do , buy now with a Geforce GTX 1070TI .. or hold out even longer ...
     
  18. Simon Belmont

    Soldato

    Joined: 11 Mar 2013

    Posts: 5,285

    If you can wait then wait. The sad part is you're going to have to wait again after preordering a 1180. I remember waiting for nearly 3 months after ordering my 1080Ti. Either way you'll be waiting mate :)
     
  19. RanxZy

    Wise Guy

    Joined: 15 Jun 2009

    Posts: 2,182

    Location: South London

    What's your monitor resolution?
     
  20. DarrenM343

    Soldato

    Joined: 19 Oct 2008

    Posts: 5,647

    Any of the following, maybe?:
    1 Because the card doesn't need it. The architecture is different than AMD's
    2 Because it's not optimal for the card (why add something not required to get the performance).
    3. It's not optimal for its intended uses. If you really need a wider bus you probably need a higher end card.
    I've always found NV offer optimal solutions for the intended use of the card (target market, resolution the performance of the card is best suitable for etc).

    Why does my yaris not have 4 exhaust pipes like a Ferrari has? :D