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http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/aug/29/women-in-20s-earn-more-men-same-age-study-finds

Surely this study effectively debunks the myth of there being pay inequality this day and age?

I can't help but feel that Ann Pickering has missed the point, that come the 30s most women will probably be becoming a mother which inevitably means that those full-time mums skew the statistics. As consequence there are less women to fill those senior positions simply because there are less women.

Now, I'm not saying that discrimination may not still exist in some spheres (it seems here that they're suggesting that it's evident at the senior levels) but surely that is not evidence of a pay gap, especially if women are in fact, earning more than men now?

Without looking closer, I'd assume causally speaking that women may be surging ahead either due to stereotypical career options (have certain industries been booming?) or more likely due to the fact that girls are doing better than boys in education at present.

I particularly dislike this statement:

Smethers described the decline in income as a worrying trend. “Women have been suffering [from the economic downturn] more than men because they had even less job security,” she said. “They were more at risk and thus worse hit when the recession struck.”

Firstly, I dislike it as it's attempting to play top-trumps with people's suffering. It's all relative.

Secondly, it doesn't at all take a moment to understand how the economic downturn has psychologically effected gender types. Men for example -- stereotypically speaking -- tend to need to feel that they're useful or otherwise needed; it's part of masculinity. To be surplus to requirement, or unneeded (i.e. underemployed or unemployed) can be very psychologically damaging to a man's sense of well-being. Likewise, what about the support that women tend to receive versus men? Men tend to bottle up and are expected to get on with it, whereas women don't have such a pressure and support is more forthcoming. Furthermore, being underemployed can be really detrimental for a man's relationship chances. For women, it's less so.

It's nonsense.

Thoughts?
 
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So a middle-class female with a calm home life and by consequence better grades, has more support to study STEM than a lower-class male from a dysfunctional background with inevitably poor grades?

Sounds fair.
 
Just spotted this in the comments:

CapeofGoodHope 2h ago

Figures compiled by the Press Association have shown that between the ages of 22 and 29, a woman will typically earn £1,111 more per annum than her male counterparts.

Using data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), PA analysed the comparative earnings of men and women between 2006 and 2013. Statistics for 2014 have yet to be verified and were excluded.

While younger women in their 20s came out top in the earning stakes, the story was vastly different for workers in their 30s. A man turning 30 in 2006 would have brought in on average £8,775 more than a woman of the same age.

You have to love the Guardian misandry in the way it presents data.
For 7 years (ages 22-29) women earn £1,111 per year more.
For 7 years (ages 30-37) men earn £1,253 per year more.

When you use the same basis and units, things don't look so different, especially if one looked at it as a percentage of salary (people in their 30's earning more than those in their 20's).

Good catch.

The article is essentially saying (badly), that males who turned 30 in 2006 (who would be 38 in 2014) have earned an average of £8,775 more than women. If we divide that total by seven, it is only £1,253 more per year.
 
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Another commenter has linked to the provisional 2014 ONS results, which show clearly that women actually now earn more than men in the two age groups 22-29 and 30-39.

Women who are 39 in this report, would have been turning 30 in 2006 as mentioned in the article.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_385428.pdf (See pages 11 & 12)
 
I think companies are going to have to look at being more flexible in that regard - increasingly a good number of the working population can't easily work traditional shifts - for instance we've got a fair few both male and female who have their kids for like 3 days of the week and their ex has them for the other 4, etc.

So breaking up the family unit was part of the feminist agenda all along?! :eek:
 
Yes I am against vaccinations.

Why?

I'm not telling you how to raise your child, but that is a really irresponsible thing to do.

Also, your contention that streets would thrive again if mothers were at home is also a little far-fetched. You're not taking into account a myriad of other factors such as how society has changed, how consumable media allows people to hide away instead, how the neighbours are just as likely to be from somewhere very culturally different and just as unlikely to interact.

New mums already seem to do pretty well with networking due to play-groups and social media groups. Why do you think people would suddenly take to the streets in a big unified dance number?
 
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Because family > money, we have no desire to earn the maximum money possible. A good book once said you will love God or money and hate the other. Mortgage free, a car, holidays no need for a bigger monthly number at the expense of family, we are very happy with our lot and Tosno Jr will be going to private school when he is 7 not 4, homeschooling here is merely an excerise on staying on the right side of a backwards outdated law that the rest of Europe has left in the history books. Any particular question you want answered? Regarding Tefels I left out, it was clear I was talking about a loving relationship not an abusive one, a professional childminder can never trump the loving mother. Mother > professional childminder.

So just to confirm, you're a spiritual chap? Nothing wrong with hating money. I just don't think you should be relying on god to make sure your child doesn't get sick from something which is otherwise easily preventable.

It's like having sex without protection and if she gets pregnant, you claim it was god's will. Nothing at all to do with you popping another £20 in the tank, of course.
 
Not all mothers are going to be so doting, though.

When you say privately educating your child, do you mean boarding school or something else?
 
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