Poll: General election voting intentions poll

Voting intentions in the General Election - only use the poll if you intend to vote

  • Alliance Party of Northern Ireland

    Votes: 2 0.3%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 287 42.0%

  • Democratic Unionist Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 67 9.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 108 15.8%

  • Liberal Democrat

    Votes: 25 3.7%

  • Other party (not named)

    Votes: 15 2.2%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.3%

  • Respect Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 36 5.3%

  • Social Democratic and Labour Party

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 4 0.6%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 137 20.0%
  • Total voters
    684
  • Poll closed .
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Bear said:
Because some of that is paying money into my personal pension, giving charitable donations etc. Of course I could lower my corporation tax levels by ploughing more into my pension etc. if you equate that to nicking half a packet of biscuits then there is little point in debating this any further with you.
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noi i didn't equate the two at all i said its only similar if you had a moral issue with tax avoidance which many here do yet are happy to do it but only "a moderate amount".
 
Mr Jack said:
And, on a lighter note: Labour in crisis as Ed Miliband loses mock debate to ‘empty chair’.
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That is very witty.
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What more needs to be said.
 
Just so we are all clear I changed the poll option to the more descriptively accurate one, and had meant to change it back and forgot.

Picking one admin (the wrong one it turns out) and attacking them for it is pretty silly, as is judging the shop on the actions of someone that doesn't work for them and has, in fact, only ever visited the shop twice!
 
Tefal said:
noi i didn't equate the two at all i said its only similar if you had a moral issue with tax avoidance which many here do yet are happy to do it but only "a moderate amount".
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Yes but as with most things, it isn't black or white and depends on what you call tax avoidance.

I could for instance, pay myself in dividends up to the higher tax limit and stop paying out anything further to myself and then plough all the profits of my labour to my pension from the company, and in fact many do. That way I would avoid income tax and also a large chunk in corporation tax, that is tax avoidance! I would then be paying myself in such a way that it benefits me more and the taxman gets considerably less. Is that immoral?
 
There's a difference between setting yourself up as a limited company for a consulting gig, paying yourself as PAYE up to the tax free allowance, drawing dividends, pouring the rest into a pension fund, purchasing equipment you use for work and writing it off against taxable income etc., and those schemes which involved investing in film productions to get government funding and then have the whole thing magically collapse.

But it's for the law to decide on, not popular opinion of people who don't really know the full picture, or the tabloid press. Governments have the power to simplify the tax system, and I'd rather they spent the time telling everyone how tough they were going to be on tax actually implementing some changes.

I'm also frankly amazed that some people seem almost offended at the idea that people who pay either nothing or very little into the system due to being low earners dare to enjoy things paid for by the state. That's entirely the point of taxes, and I'm not sure how you'd expect any other system to function.

I pay taxes through PAYE, and it's stupid to ask me if I'd voluntarily pay more tax or if I'd like to have more money left in my pocket each month. But I wouldn't say I begrudge paying it either. If I were to get to that point I'd like to hope that my animosity wasn't aimed at a bloke working minimum wage in a supermarket who dares to claim the benefits they are entitled to.
 
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Do we really need less legislation surrounding racial discrimination?

I'm torn between this - and I don't think it's quite as blanket as Farage being "a racist" as simple news outlets would have us believe. I am staunchly against positive discrimination, but I can't find any details of what he's actually saying should be removed. It could also set an alarming precedent..
 
Farage will get torn in to because of these comments, but it is unlikely to lose him any support from those who will already vote UKIP. I think the wider issue is PC gone mad. Quotas for different ethnicity and genders for example. If someone is right for the job, they should get the job, not because of their colour etc, that in itself is racist!
 
NerveAgent said:
A lot of PAYE employees are aggressively avoiding tax by paying in to a pension. We don't talk about that though.
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No, they're not. There's a huge difference between using a government-mandated tax avoidance scheme and using a complex loophole to avoid tax.

The former is something explicitly allowed, the latter is something that's not yet ruled illegal.
 
Tunney said:
No, they're not. There's a huge difference between using a government-mandated tax avoidance scheme and using a complex loophole to avoid tax.

The former is something explicitly allowed, the latter is something that's not yet ruled illegal.
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So they are allowed to do it. ;)
 
Mr Jack said:
As usual, you're entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your facts. You can have a look here at how the recovery was proceeding, broadly in line with historical recoveries, until the coalition took over. That link is somewhat old now so it doesn't show the recovery that the economy has eventually managed but it does show how the UK was recovering until the coalition took over.
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The US went into a double dip, the UK followed into a double dip. It's not really down to which government is in.
 
OldCoals said:
So they are allowed to do it. ;)
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No, he's saying they're illegal schemes as in against the law but that there's an unreasonably large amount of time before someone examines them in detail and rules them as such. All they need to do to stop this is send a few people who abuse the law in such a way to prison and I guarantee you'll stop a large percentage of aggressive tax avoidance. Unfortunately what we have is a cosy club of accountants, politicians, and HMRC who've allowed a system to develop where all that'll happen is a demand for the tax avoider to pay some of the money back and a telling off to not do it again!
 
Farage on Twitter:

And I would suggest the REAL racists in our society are the ones who hear me say 'British' and think 'white'. Deeply concerning.
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Really and truthfully, most likely a case of had any other politician said it no-one would have given a toss, but because it's him OMGWTF ... didn't see everyone getting in a lather when Gordon 'Saved the World' Brown went on about British jobs for British workers ...
 
This case is more about ol' nigeys hatred of any employment regulation whatsoever (to please his business mates) rather than anything to do with race (which is the real reason he wants out of europe)
 
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