Poll: General election voting round 5 (final one)

[gettothechopper]

I agree with the first point, for the last point there is no requirement for Labour to get the most seats to visit the queen first, that is a myth and has no basis in official rules.

I know its not "a rule" but people like Cleggers say that "the party with the most votes should have a go at forming a government first"

 

[McPhee]

The idea that the SNP would abstain from voting down a Tory attempt to form a government is laughable. To insist it could happen shows a complete lack of understanding of Scottish politics, the attitude of Scottish voters and the aims and priorities of the SNP. It won't happen. In a highly uncertain election, that is one of the few facts that can be relied upon.

 

[MrMoonX]

Golfers hate Farage lol

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/election-2015-nigel-farage-targeted-9145398

 

[robgmun]

And the people who vote for the same party no matter what simply just because they always have, its not football people you don't have to support the same team forever, you CAN change who you vote for based on common sense and logic, but a lot of people now a days have no common sense or logic.

I think that's a bit harsh coming here and saying that. You may be right in the wider population but all of us here are political junkies in comparison and to say anyone is voting blindly is laughable.

 

[McPhee]

I know its not "a rule" but people like Cleggers say that "the party with the most votes should have a go at forming a government first"

Isn't that just Nick Clegg chickening out of the decision making process?

Imagine we're in a situation where Labour, the SNP, Plaid and the Greens would (in total) fall just short of a majority. On the other side, the Tories with UKIP and the DUP fall way short of a majority. The Lib Dems hold the balance of power, with enough seats to give either side a majority. They side with the largest party. What Nick is basically saying to voters on both sides is "don't hate us for propping up Labour/The Tories, we had no choice!".

So to get in to government, Labour basically need to be in a situation where they don't need the Lib Dems. They can't count on them. The 'progressive alliance' needs to have enough MPs between them that Lib Dem support is optional. Then Labour have a choice; a minority government supported by like-minded MPs from other parties, or a Labour/Lib Dem minority coalition with the same support arrangement. The only advantage of the latter is a more stable majority.

 

[do_ron_ron]

As Moses points out, the SNP don't need to vote with the Conservatives, they can just abstain.

I think that such a move might even be tactically sound; if the Tories have the most MPs they do have a mandate to form government, so causing the chaos of an election re-run would not be desirable and might be held against the SNP.

If anyone questioned the SNP's refusal to oppose the Tories, they could always just say Labour were unreasonable and they couldn't reach a deal. Putting all the blame on Labour won't damage them too much, because the people who back the SNP are backing them on the independence angle. Labour cannot complete there. Such a move would put the blame on Labour and allow the SNP to say 'well we wanted to be responsible and make sure the UK had a government'.

So wrong it is almost unbelievable. The SNP cannot be seen by the Scottish electorate to be propping up the Tories in any way shape or form, full stop.

It would not be an election re-run unless Labour chose to do so which they won't. You propagate the canard that anyone who supports the SNP must be doing so because they want independence.

The future of the SNP is pretty much in Milibands hands if he has the most MP's. If he makes a deal with them, SNP power will grow. If he refuses to play ball, the SNP will probably lose some of their support.

If the Tories come out on top, the SNP will probably be more advantaged by the Tories being in power as they can grind the 'Westminster is all public school toffs wah wah' line for another five years.

The most likely scenario given the current support is a Lab/LibDems coalition depending on backstairs deal with the SNP. Milliband can try to play hardball but so to can the SNP and threaten to vote down various bills so some sort of backstairs deal is inevitable.

 

[do_ron_ron]

SNP could vote with the tories on certain things, they do have common ground and most Scots wouldn't care as long as the vote was seen as fair. If it's a major policy decision e.g. trident renewal then yes it'd be daft for them to do so but there is commonality between the parties and they have worked well together in the past in Holyrood.

It's unlikely to be a common thing though, saying they never could? That's just being daft though. Of course they could and should if it's the right thing to do from their manifesto etc.

A Lab/Con coalition is more likely than a SNP deal of any sort with the Tories. It would probably split the SNP, definitely cost them the 2016 election and massively reduce their MPs next time around. It would be turkeys voting for Christmas.

 

[scorza]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...acking-candidate-running-against-nigel-farage

East London Mosque campaigning for Farage's opponent in South Thanet. Slight lol that the Mosque is home to a "charity" called UK Islamic Trust, and I don't think charities are supposed to campaign for candidates.

 

[D.P.]

I know its not "a rule" but people like Cleggers say that "the party with the most votes should have a go at forming a government first"

But even that is afairly redudenant, the Tories wont make an attempt when they know they will be voted against.

In the last election the lib Dems approached Labour first and if Labour had offered better terms than the Tories we would have had a LibDem-Labour collation.

It is only a practical issues where the party with the most seats is most likely to form the most stable government with the biggest majority.

 

[D.P.]

Your link doesn't evidence the claim from you which I asked about. Try again? #awkward.

Of course they have problems with national elections, but that's the same whether it's this election or a reelection.

You are very close to getting the honour of the first person to ever be added to my ignore list.

Lets reverse it around, you find evidence that I am wrong and post it, if you don't then we can assume you are suffering form verbal diarrhea, again.

 

[robgmun]

You are very close to getting the honour of the first person to ever be added to my ignore list.

Lets reverse it around, you find evidence that I am wrong and post it, if you don't then we can assume you are suffering form verbal diarrhea, again.

For ****s sake I put me on it!

 

[D.P.]

A Lab/Con coalition is more likely than a SNP deal of any sort with the Tories. It would probably split the SNP, definitely cost them the 2016 election and massively reduce their MPs next time around. It would be turkeys voting for Christmas.

Indeed, Moses just can' handle the reality of the situation that the Toy possibilities are very slim on the ground. The SNP continuously state that they will do absolutely anything in their powers to stop the Tories getting into power. Complete political suicide if they go back on that.

 

[Quartz]

It's still Labour for me. They are the best chance of defeating the SNP locally.

 

[Slam62]

For ****s sake I put me on it!

Hello!!

How many seats do you think ukip will win, are you in a constituency where they might win?

 

[D.P.]

Isn't that just Nick Clegg chickening out of the decision making process?

Imagine we're in a situation where Labour, the SNP, Plaid and the Greens would (in total) fall just short of a majority. On the other side, the Tories with UKIP and the DUP fall way short of a majority. The Lib Dems hold the balance of power, with enough seats to give either side a majority. They side with the largest party. What Nick is basically saying to voters on both sides is "don't hate us for propping up Labour/The Tories, we had no choice!".

So to get in to government, Labour basically need to be in a situation where they don't need the Lib Dems. They can't count on them. The 'progressive alliance' needs to have enough MPs between them that Lib Dem support is optional. Then Labour have a choice; a minority government supported by like-minded MPs from other parties, or a Labour/Lib Dem minority coalition with the same support arrangement. The only advantage of the latter is a more stable majority.

Clegg talks a lot about a coalition with the Tories, his party members absolutely do not want that at all. The lib Dems approaching the Tories could make the party implode. Then there is the fact that they wont form a coalition with UKIP or DUP, so it would have to be Tories + LibDems alone which would be too short, or the Lib Dems loose even more credit by forming a coalition with the most right wing government in many generations. The Lin dems would be absolutely done for, they are supposedly center-left not extreme right.

 

[D.P.]

EL OH EL

Defcon spack out .

Any rational basis for the burden of proof being on me, after you've made a claim you haven't evidenced? Is it because you can't?

you really are strange.

I have evidenced it, you have failed to negate that evidence.

 

[robgmun]

Hello!!

How many seats do you think ukip will win, are you in a constituency where they might win?

Where have you been for 5 years? You only seem to be wheeled out at election time.

 

[Slam62]

Clegg talks a lot about a coalition with the Tories, his party members absolutely do not want that at all. The lib Dems approaching the Tories could make the party implode. Then there is the fact that they wont form a coalition with UKIP or DUP, so it would have to be Tories + LibDems alone which would be too short, or the Lib Dems loose even more credit by forming a coalition with the most right wing government in many generations. The Lin dems would be absolutely done for, they are supposedly center-left not extreme right.

The lib dems under Clegg are Tory light

 

[Slam62]

Where have you been for 5 years? You only seem to be wheeled out at election time.

Oh do come on

 

[Slam62]

Where have you been for 5 years? You only seem to be wheeled out at election time.

If. You like I can start an angry exchange about ukip, and post a whole load of stuff but I am actually interested in what you think will happen.

Actually, scratch that, I won't be starting an angry exchange what ever,