Poll: General election voting round 5 (final one)

Voting intentions in the General Election?

  • Alliance Party of Northern Ireland

    Votes: 3 0.3%
  • Conservative

    Votes: 403 42.2%
  • Democratic Unionist Party

    Votes: 2 0.2%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 59 6.2%
  • Labour

    Votes: 176 18.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 67 7.0%
  • Not voting/will spoil ballot

    Votes: 42 4.4%
  • Other party (not named)

    Votes: 8 0.8%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Respect Party

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 37 3.9%
  • Social Democratic and Labour Party

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 2 0.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 154 16.1%

  • Total voters
    956
  • Poll closed .
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I take it you must be sitting at home in tracksuit bottoms all day claiming benefits then because anyone who pays income tax is better off under the last government than they would have been under labour. Care to elaborate more. You seem to be bothered about the bedroom "tax" which indicates you are obviously on some kind of benefits.

Not everyone thinks only for themselves, some care about the sort of society they want to live in and are happy to pay a little more tax or donate to charity for this purpose.
 
People think spoiling their ballot is making some kind of super hardcore statement.

The actual impact is about 0.5 seconds as someone look as it then discards it. In fact, spoiling your ballot is more of a waste of your own time than anyone elses, by the time you've gone through the whole malarkey of actually going to vote.

Most constituencies count the spoilt ballots, and they certainly aren't discarded in case their is a recount.

If hardly anyone spils then sure, it is just noise. If 50% of the voter spoiled then it sends an extremely strong signal that the electorate is not at all happy and there needs to be significant changes to the political system. that likely won't ch age how thr next government is electected but it will certainly have a drastic effect on what the government does next.

So no, spoiled ballot,is not wasted. What they should do is have a "none of the above" option though. It is no more wasted than a vote for UKIP or the a greens, e.g. A state,met that you are happy with the main parties, not soe thing that has an impact on the government.
 
Utter BS, how on earth people make such retarded statements I would never know.

Explain why? The raising of pre tax allowance alone has made the working person slightly better off. Fuel would have been far higher under a labour government, if you think vat wouldn't have been raised then you're hilarious. All of the huff and puff and outrage labour mp's were spewing is completely laughable. Oh you're targeting the poorest blah blah blah. Ed himself even mentioned that they wouldn't change the 26000 cap on benefits the other night. Oh so suddenly it's a good thing to reduce people's dependence on state handouts, when it was introduced it was disgracefull apparantly? Absolutely pathetic.
 
Not everyone thinks only for themselves, some care about the sort of society they want to live in and are happy to pay a little more tax or donate to charity for this purpose.

Even then his comment is BS because it only focuses on his net income, not quality of life, crime, health, or things like GDP. Most economists believe the Tories austerity reduced and delayed growth, that has a big impact on everyone. I'm not saying a labour government would have guaranteed to do better but there is every possibility they might have.


There is far more things to quality of life than money, saving a little tax is pretty inconsequential compare to many things in life, which is soe thing the right usually fail to get. You might save a few hundred in tax but how was that visit to the GP, or the state of the roads, Or the playground that wasn't built for your kids, or the school that doesn't have the resources for your children, or the extra crime in your neighborhood, of the factory that closed due to unmaintained infrastructure, etc. Scandinavian's aren't poorer because they pay more tax, they are richer because they have a higher quality of life.
 
Explain why? The raising of pre tax allowance alone has made the working person slightly better off. Fuel would have been far higher under a labour government, if you think vat wouldn't have been raised then you're hilarious. All of the huff and puff and outrage labour mp's were spewing is completely laughable. Oh you're targeting the poorest blah blah blah. Ed himself even mentioned that they wouldn't change the 26000 cap on benefits the other night. Oh so suddenly it's a good thing to reduce people's dependence on state handouts, when it was introduced it was disgracefull apparantly? Absolutely pathetic.

See above, you are only concentrating on personal finances, and you have zero evidence about the the economy.

People can be much better off paying more taxes, the economy can be much better off with higher investment.
 
Not everyone thinks only for themselves, some care about the sort of society they want to live in and are happy to pay a little more tax or donate to charity for this purpose.

The policy isn't unfair, what is unfair is single people who never work hoarding council houses with free rooms they don't need once their tribe has moved out. Truly disabled cases should have been exempt and there were a few mistakes sure.
 
See above, you are only concentrating on personal finances, and you have zero evidence about the the economy.

People can be much better off paying more taxes, the economy can be much better off with higher investment.

Because personal finance is what the majority of people are interested in. How would anyone be better off under labour for the past 5 years, please explain.
 
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If you want to go with the social deprivation/fairness angle, perhaps mention how the university fee regime and its impact on other student funding in Scotland has benefited rich kids at the expense of poor ones.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/elec...um%26]&ns_fee=0#post_5543aa9f320000320052af44

I had the unfortunate situation of listening to Women's Hour yesterday, and that harpy Sturgeon was interviewed. The drivel that she spouts...I don't understand how anyone believes her? Well I suppose they don't need to south of the border. She can just feed the nationalists the lines they want to hear and laps up the support.

At least the SNP have dropped their sovereign wealth fund nonsense after the realities of the North Sea have set in.
 
This view is a somewhat short sighted and very small minded one.

It's frankly an insult to those not so fortunate in both our past and present to have the right and freedom to cast a vote.

Utter rott. He has every right to democratically spoil his ballot. If he feels none of the candidates fulfil the criteria he wishes. I would rather we had 100% requirement to vote even if people wished to spiol.
It is a method of change.
Take northern ireland, if everyone disillusioned by tribal politics turned iut snd spoiled, it might convince someone to create a party to cather to those needs and requirements, and they might gain grassroots support.

Instead we still have dup messages saying staying at home is a vote for sinn fein. Utterly sick of scaremongering politics, especially given the hilarity of a dup and sinn fein mixed givernment running northern ireland for the past ten years. Yet the other is to be feared! Until we sit beside them and work ( or pretend to).

Everyone who thinks it is all a crock, should turn out and spoil. It would make them sit up and take reference, and damn anyone saying it is bad thing, it is his democratic right.
 
Most constituencies count the spoilt ballots, and they certainly aren't discarded in case their is a recount.

They do count the spoilt ballots but as far as I'm aware there's no official distinction drawn between people who are deliberately spoiling the ballot and those who just haven't managed to complete a valid ballot. Individual counts may choose to record those who do a "none of the above" option but that's not officially recognised - you essentially end up with two piles 1) votes for candidates and 2) non-valid votes. Electoral Commission info.

If hardly anyone spils then sure, it is just noise. If 50% of the voter spoiled then it sends an extremely strong signal that the electorate is not at all happy and there needs to be significant changes to the political system. that likely won't ch age how thr next government is electected but it will certainly have a drastic effect on what the government does next.

So no, spoiled ballot,is not wasted. What they should do is have a "none of the above" option though. It is no more wasted than a vote for UKIP or the a greens, e.g. A state,met that you are happy with the main parties, not soe thing that has an impact on the government.

It's a nice idea that if enough people spoil their ballots that they will be counted as protest votes but as it currently stands the system isn't set up to record it in that way.
 
This is amazing timing. Hearing Sky News say labour all day wil be great. Kay Burley will be saying it without scowling will be a first!
 
Wonder if Kate's forthcoming sprog will affect voting? Probably more momentum for the Tories and the SNP - typical!
 
Stop watching Sky / BBC and do your own research.

UKIP talk common sense.

They don't, at all, the crux of their entire spending plan is to leave the EU and cut foreign aid, and they only look at the headline figure for both of those.

They want to leave the EU, whilst giving no guarantees about what would happen *IF* we did leave. That's a HUGE risk.

It's going the same way as Scottish Independence debate, there isn't enough information on what would (not could) happen after to make a decision.

Take this case:
EU citizen moves to UK and gets a job, meets girlfriend (British), has child. They are unmarried.

If we left the EU, what would happen to them? Would he be rounded up and deported, would he loose access to the NHS and any benefits (tax credits, child benefit), what effect would it have on their standard of living?
 
I think many in this thread are missing what's happening in the UK. This isn't just about Labour or the Conservatives losing votes, it's about a growing feeling in the UK that the two party system doesn't work. Labour and the Tories have for decades taken voters for granted, increasingly people are choosing alternative parties - that means no more majorities for either.

Scotland has simply moved faster than the rest of the UK due to the behaviour of both parties around the referendum, but the rest of the UK will catch up and you'll see a lot less of the vote going to the tories/Labour this time around.

It's not about any one party, it's about their attitudes to the electorate and how for decades they've seen themselves as managers of the UK, rather than answerable to the electorate. the SNP may be reaping rewards in Scotland this time but it could easily enough swing elsewhere next if they don't work properly at Westminster.

Good summing up of the current political situation.
 
We need electoral reform but asking those who benefit from the current system to offer us real change is rather unlikely to happen.
 
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