Gigabit modem and router

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I'm trying to spec up a modem and router ready for a gigabit line we're having installed.

I've spec'd up the TP-Link AC3150 as a router (for another room) but I don't believe this can perform the modem function in the room where the line comes in. Those I can find that are modems either don't support 1Gbps or aren't available in the UK (lots of Amazon US links).

Can anyone advise?
 
What line are you having installed exactly? Most come with a modem as part of the package - some with routers.

Avoid TP-Link, poor reliability history.
 
So what is supplied? I would hazard a guess at a NTE device that they manage which will just give you an ethernet connection to your router.

There will be no "modem" as such, this isn't DSL.

Did they not give you any further information? Is the line installed?
 
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Like Sp00n said, I'm trying to determine what the end point it... it's likely an ethernet termination and won't require a modem - just routing. If it requires authentication - that'll likely be PPPoE and all home routers I know of can handle that on the WAN port. Decent Asus routers have been able to handle gigabit speeds on the WAN port for quite a while, otherwise there are a lot of other options.
 
A Router with a 1Gb EWAN port is going to be required here.

Dependant on how the ISP Encapsulates their connection you will either get a PPPoE connection which the ISP will give you a Username and Password for OR It will be an IPoE connection where you will typically configure a 255.255.255.252 Subnet, WAN IP Gateway and WAN IP address on the Router to NAT through to your LAN on.

Can be easily done on the likes of a Draytek 2830 which has a 1Gb WAN2 port. No point spending more on the 2860 as all this does is add cost for a VDSL Modem (For BT Infinity).

Shawrey
 
CityFibre are a wholesale network provider, ISPs use their network and provide service over it. In Bristol it appears to be Triangle Networks.

If it's 1Gbps symmetrical then this will be Ethernet, so I'd expect to see some sort of EDD deployed. Are you in a house or an apartment?

Shawreyboy said:
Can be easily done on the likes of a Draytek 2830 which has a 1Gb WAN2 port.
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http://www.draytek.co.uk/products/comparison

No Draytek product can really support a 1Gbps connection. There's a lot more than port speed at play.

A gigabit is a fair amount of traffic to chuck around, take a look at https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/tools/charts/router/bar/179-wan-to-lan-tcp/31

Google Wi-Fi is one that can do it, that might be a decent shout.

Edit: Is this a business service that we need to be looking at rackmount kit for?
 
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http://www.draytek.co.uk/products/comparison[/URL]

No Draytek product can really support a 1Gbps connection. There's a lot more than port speed at play.
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Interesting, I didn't even realisue the Firewall can only effectively handle 200Mb of throughput looking at the Chart. This explains a few issues I have with some customers/resellers deploying Draytek Routers for FTTP lines on 330Mbps and barely getting over 200Mb throughput.

Thanks for this Caged, I will recommend customers thoroughly check Firewall throughput despite the Port speed on the Router stating it can negotiate at 1Gb.

Shawrey
 
All firewall vendors lie about the throughput - they will quote something like 1500 byte packets with no QoS rules or security services enabled and use that as the figures. Look for people that are prepared to give you a figure for 'IMIX' traffic as that is closer to being accurate, though still with no security services enabled.
 
To answer the questions without quoting, it is a business line, already got a 19" cabinet installed with a 20-port switch in but I've also got a shelf so it doesn't need to be mountable. Seems that option often comes with a considerable price tag as it's deemed business so if anything non-mountable would be the preference...

And yes, there is no relation between port speed and WAN to LAN throughput which is how I got to that shortlisted router (via Small Net Builder's benchmark charts). Also spotted the Google Wifi but that probably is a bit too consumer to be the first router as we'll be sharing the line with another business, but may well be suited to our office where we just need Wifi for guests and portable devices and the rest will be over Ethernet via a 10-port switch anyway.

Also I imagine it'll be IPoE connection as it's possible to have multiple static IPs via Triangle Networks which I'll be routing separately via VLANs.
 
How competent do you feel that you are in terms of managing this? I'd be looking at a Mikrotik CCR1009-range device here, maybe the Ubiquiti EdgeRouter if they have fixed their UDP bugs in the standard and Pro product but not until that point.

https://routerboard.com/CCR1009-7G-1C-PC

Otherwise something like a FortiGate 201E if you want security features.
 
Yes Caged is right, those Drayteks can't handle the speed :)
Also what he linked to is a good option.

Otherwise... do you need wifi built in? A pfSense box would be good, that's what I use when I can get away with it as it's very reliable and the throughput is hard to beat with low price point hardware.

If it's handling a couple of businesses and quite a few users, I wouldn't recommend going for anything consumer-orientated... you can get something that will handle the scenario well for only a couple of hundred quid.

I haven't tried one of these myself, but they come with good recommendations:
http://protectli.com/products/

Otherwise take a look at the hardware pfsense have given the rubber stamp to:
https://www.pfsense.org/products/
 
You'll want to shoot yourself in the face trying to provide connectivity for multiple tenants on the USG platform
 
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All firewall vendors lie about the throughput - they will quote something like 1500 byte packets with no QoS rules or security services enabled and use that as the figures. Look for people that are prepared to give you a figure for 'IMIX' traffic as that is closer to being accurate, though still with no security services enabled.
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Can be tricky as it depends on the traffic type going through the device, things like an IMIX traffic profile will go some way to try and emulate a 'typical' traffic mix but still is going to be different on a case by case basis. Good to use as a compatible though if vendors all provide their IMIX figures.

And as you say, start turning on things like IPS and watch those quoted figures drop quicker than a tarts knickers ;)
 
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Can't see tenants mentioned..?
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Russinating said:
...we'll be sharing the line with another business...
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Having multiple LAN zones defined with different levels of access (e.g. your LAN can talk to your VoIP phones, but the other business can't talk to your LAN, and your phones can't go anywhere other than the Internet, different public IPs for each business) is a real pain to manage on the UniFi platform. There are better options here.
 
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