give me pliers and some time with these two

[jas72]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6742621.stm

One of the most covincing reasons for capital punishment that I've seen recently.

 

[Renatukasza]

That is shocking, disgustung & disturbing. They should be hanged(if guilty, which they most likely are)

 

[233]

death would be too good for anyone that hurts a child


i'd echo the op's thoughts


give me an hour alone with them but you really have to question why the hell the doctors didnt raise flags sooner, and as for social work ffs

 

[Dandle]

That is just shocking.

 

[penski]

The death penalty is never the answer.

however, I can give you ten minutes alone with a keyboard if you're desperate.

*n

 

[Paul11]

the death penalty would mean that they would never do it again..

and we wouldn't need to pay all of our tax money housing animals like this in prisons for the rest of their lives..

i'd vote for hanging to be returned.

 

[penski]

the death penalty would mean that they would never do it again..

so would life imprisonment.

and we wouldn't need to pay all of our tax money housing animals like this in prisons for the rest of their lives..

life imprisonment is cheaper than the death penalty. if you insist on having the death penalty, you need a fully-formed judicuary structure in place to allow the necessary appeals and to try and ensure that innocent people are not killed. how often do we hear of evidence coming to light many years after sentencing which results in a wrongly jailed person being set free? the last time I checked, it was pretty difficult to raise people from the dead.

there is no logical argument for the death penalty. none whatsoever.

i'd vote for hanging to be returned.

why? that just puts you on the same footing as the couple in the linked article in my eyes.

*n

 

[Paul11]

(rushing out the door so very quick reply)

i cant belive that life imprisonment is cheaper than the death penalty.

that just makes no sense considering you/we dont know how long a person will live once in prison.

as for me being the same as them in your eyes, well

1) your entitled to your opinion
2) for me certain types of anti-social behavior (repeated murder, repeated child abuse, etc) means a person should never be allowed to do these things again (even life imprisonment doesnt even stop them)

(sorry for quick reply, but gota rush)

 

[iCraig]

There's a reason capital punishment was dropped.

It screams of double standards in my opinion.

Scenario:

Man's daughter is killed by another man.
Father finds and kills the man to bring punishment to him for killing his daughter.
We kill the father to bring punishment to him for killing the man.

We're not a million miles away from doing the same as them.

 

[Saytan]

change of tack. edited.

 

[penski]

(rushing out the door so very quick reply)

i cant belive that life imprisonment is cheaper than the death penalty.

that just makes no sense considering you/we dont know how long a person will live once in prison.

luckily, we have statistics available from america so this is a debate which can be structured and based on facts rather than blind accusations and vitriol.

when you get a chance, a bit of google fu and some reading would very well open your eyes.

I'll try and find the source but I recall a statistic from about five years ago (when I had a huge debate on the subject...on another forum...far, far away...) which took the average cost for full judicial and appeal processing, imprisonment while judicial procedure is completed and cost of killing the individual and compared it to the cost of imprisoning an individual from the age of 25 to a natural death at the age of 75. imprisonment came out far cheaper. how far back does google's cache go?

as for me being the same as them in your eyes, well

1) your entitled to your opinion

I certainly am. as are you. unfortunately, wishing to inflict torture and death on individuals who commited torture and death makes you exactly the same as them... :/

2) for me certain types of anti-social behavior (repeated murder, repeated child abuse, etc) means a person should never be allowed to do these things again (even life imprisonment doesnt even stop them)

forgive me if I'm being naïve but when did we start giving child abusers on a life sentence access to children?

it certainly does stop them.

and to counter an accusation which is bound to be levelled at me....because it always is in such threads...

when I say that I support life imprisonment over the death penalty, I mean exactly that.

life in prison.

if the crime deserves life then you will be locked in a small box by yourself with an hour a day to feed and exercise. you will not have interaction with anyone other than your guards and your lawyer. you will be left with nothing but your thoughts and the knowledge that you have commited your crime and are being punished for it.

*n

 

[Pebbles]

How can this have been allowed to happen?! He'd been cautioned for child neglect previously, why wasn't this child at the very least being watched like a hawk by the authorities! Several visits to a hospital with different injuries, leg cast kept coming off, they didn't even notice how deep a cut was at the hospital! Shame on all of them, they have this childs suffering on their conscience too.

 

[Johnz0r]

@ Penski

Why should we, the tax payer, put money into prisons which inturn keep this murdering scum alive? This country is in a serious state of affairs to be honest. Go labour..

 

[iCraig]

@ Penski

Why should we, the tax payer, put money into prisons which inturn keep this murdering scum alive? This country is in a serious state of affairs to be honest. Go labour..

So the tax payer wouldn't pay for all the judiciary structure and legal affairs surrounding a death penalty then? They also wouldn't pay for the resources to carry out a hanging/lethal injection whatever? think Penski is right in saying it would cost more money to employ capital punishment.

Just wondering also by the way, why you think Labour is to blame for this? Or is it one of those anti-Labour fads that circulate every few months or so on here that blame Labour on everything from the size of your genitalia to your favourite packet of crisps being out of stock in Tesco?

 

[Spie]

Murderous scum. They don't deserve to be part of society.

 

[Johnz0r]

So the tax payer wouldn't pay for all the judiciary structure and legal affairs surrounding a death penalty then? They also wouldn't pay for the resources to carry out a hanging/lethal injection whatever? think Penski is right in saying it would cost more money to employ capital punishment.

Just wondering also by the way, why you think Labour is to blame for this? Or is it one of those anti-Labour fads that circulate every few months or so on here that blame Labour on everything from the size of your genitalia to your favourite packet of crisps being out of stock in Tesco?

It dont cost much for a bullet to the head? I dont know why we have to conform to using lethal injections. Surely the cost of a bullet is far cheaper than paying for years for them in jail only for them to be released 5 years later on 'good' grounds like you normally see these days.

 

[Johnz0r]

Murderous scum. They don't deserve to be part of society.

Here here, shambles this country is in.

 

[p4radox]

It dont cost much for a bullet to the head? I dont know why we have to conform to using lethal injections. Surely the cost of a bullet is far cheaper than paying for years for them in jail only for them to be released 5 years later on 'good' grounds like you normally see these days.

Ahhh that'd be so simple wouldn't it? As soon as they're found guilty just take them out back and shoot them in the head.

What about the aforementioned judiciary structure and appeals process? Or are you quite content to allow the odd innocent person to die, just to appease your barbaric desire to KILL? Just like those horrible parents did...

 

[penski]

@ Penski

Why should we, the tax payer, put money into prisons which inturn keep this murdering scum alive? This country is in a serious state of affairs to be honest. Go labour..

did you actually read my post or simply glance at it?

we, as society, have an obligation to punish those who commit crimes. this is undeniable.

what we have to do is form a punishment which is cost-effective, appropriate for the crime and, very importantly, one which is given after full (and correct) judicial process with the required appeal structure.

the money for this has to come from somewhere. as it stands, a portion of the money we pay in tax as citizens of this country pays for this punishment.

now...would you rather pay more for the death penalty, less for life imprisonment in its current definition or even less for life imprisonment in my definition?

and why the anti-labour sentiment? you are just being petty. the debate is not one concerning our current government but one concerning whether the death penalty is a valid punishment for those convicted of serious crimes.

the fact remains that the death penalty is both harsher on society (whether in fiscal or sociopolitical terms) and more lenient on the criminal than life imprisonment.

you're a murderer? I would much rather you were locked in a tiny room for the rest of your natural life with a constant reminder of the crime you have commited than kill you and give you an easy way out.

*n

 

[Johnz0r]

Ahhh that'd be so simple wouldn't it? As soon as they're found guilty just take them out back and shoot them in the head.

What about the aforementioned judiciary structure and appeals process? Or are you quite content to allow the odd innocent person to die, just to appease your barbaric desire to KILL? Just like those horrible parents did...

Oh come on, its clear they were to blame. I would rather have them dead than having them massacre more children. And what are your bets they were in this country legally?