Yes you are, you clearly stated that NOTHING could change what you believe in.
You just don't understand what the term closed minded means.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI
Watch & learn.
God & Science Proved!
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You just don't understand what the term closed minded means.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=T69TOuqaqXI
Watch & learn.
I've got no issue with faith, but when people start saying "prove god doesnt exist" it makes me think of this:
Guys, i am happy to believe in god without any proof what so ever. Thats what really grinds you. How can anyone believe in God? Well, it a wonderful feeling and i hope that one day you may get the chance to experience it. Nothing better than having a strong faith and meaning to life. I stand tall and proud to be a christian and you can have your little digs etc and they only go to prove how narrow minded you are as you are not open to what is deep within you and the kingdom of god.
Now, carry on debating but no need to **** us christians off for what we believe. Obviously you cant fathom out why we would believe in god etc but that takes a true follower of Christ / God to know that.
I always remember my dear day, god bless him as he passed away several years ago now, telling me about how, in WWII he had macho guys in the squad who didnt believe in god too and used to take the pee out of those that did. Come a day when all hell was breaking loose and shells and bullets flying everywhere, it was those macho guys that were calling out for god!!!
Now, carry on debating but no need to **** us christians off for what we believe. Obviously you cant fathom out why we would believe in god etc but that takes a true follower of Christ / God to know that.
I always remember my dear day, god bless him as he passed away several years ago now, telling me about how, in WWII he had macho guys in the squad who didnt believe in god too and used to take the pee out of those that did. Come a day when all hell was breaking loose and shells and bullets flying everywhere, it was those macho guys that were calling out for god!!!
Two types of people:
- Those who believe something made up by man.
- Those who believe something theorised and based on findings by man.
If the theories and findings change, so do the people that follow the second school of thought.
The first type carry on blindly believing in fairy stories made up centuries ago.
Who is close-minded?
This
The above isn't the magic of god, this is based on "FACTS" of understanding science.
for any earth like planet to exist it has to be in the habitable zone, and this is based on the gravitationional pull from the sun, of where the planet sits, people say that mavity is based on theory, well really the above statement kind of proves that there is a force at play for us to exist on this ball of rock.
lets look at it another way, if there is not mavity then would we exist and what you say is theory and not a fact? would planets form?
also we see stars being born from billions of years ago using the hubble telescope, for example orion nebula, in this nebula there are newly born stars that are just producing their own system. do you see planets forming in 7 days???? no it takes millions of years.
In over 20 years of growing up within a religious family stretching around the whole country (of good people who respect others regardless of race or religion) I have realised a few things:
1: Praying doesn't solve anything, it doesn't heal the ill, save the helpless, pay the poor or anything else. Getting up and doing something solves the problem.
2: It can’t be a sin to not worship a God. Hear me out on this one and excuse me if my wording isn’t 100% but it’s still early in the morning although some people will get the idea quickly….
Having heard/been told that holy book XYZ is /the/ final word and that everything one needs to know in order to live a faithful life is written in it, means (to me) that the future has already been destined. If you become a murderer later in life then that’s what God wanted you to become because when God created every soul on this planet he would have foreseen this. So by trying to right a wrong you’re not actually doing a good (or bad) deed, you’re just following the outline God has given your lifeline exactly how he wanted.
Now imagine that kind of thinking in the eyes of your average person and then huddle them together in cities, counties etc…there would be utter chaos. Life would really be a real hell on Earth. Humans need something to follow and something to fear, It’s the way humans work, it is psychology and has been going on since man started walking the planet and began worshipping the Moon/Sun and other creatures of the time.
Current known science tells us that the future can’t have been pre-written because the universe is a playground of random chemical reactions and time naturally flows in one direction (or doesn’t flow at all in the instance of a singularity like a black hole). Stars are born and Universes form after them while at the same time somewhere else, another star goes Supernova and becomes a black hole, sucking in time, space and light. It’s an endless cycle of cataclysmic events beyond the control of even the Universe itself, and without the Universe there’s no way time can exist and if time doesn’t exist then no being can exist, because for him to do something there has to be an element of time for that action to happen.
This is my opinion as mentioned earlier and while I feel it’s important to view an opinion sometimes, I also feel it’s important to hear others too.
None of the above means I’m dissing any religion at all. I still follow traditions and respect the cultures of different people but at the same time I follow my own path of being a decent human being as I don't feel someone needs to follow a faith based life to do that out of fear of not going to heaven.
1: Praying doesn't solve anything, it doesn't heal the ill, save the helpless, pay the poor or anything else. Getting up and doing something solves the problem.
2: It can’t be a sin to not worship a God. Hear me out on this one and excuse me if my wording isn’t 100% but it’s still early in the morning although some people will get the idea quickly….
Having heard/been told that holy book XYZ is /the/ final word and that everything one needs to know in order to live a faithful life is written in it, means (to me) that the future has already been destined. If you become a murderer later in life then that’s what God wanted you to become because when God created every soul on this planet he would have foreseen this. So by trying to right a wrong you’re not actually doing a good (or bad) deed, you’re just following the outline God has given your lifeline exactly how he wanted.
Now imagine that kind of thinking in the eyes of your average person and then huddle them together in cities, counties etc…there would be utter chaos. Life would really be a real hell on Earth. Humans need something to follow and something to fear, It’s the way humans work, it is psychology and has been going on since man started walking the planet and began worshipping the Moon/Sun and other creatures of the time.
Current known science tells us that the future can’t have been pre-written because the universe is a playground of random chemical reactions and time naturally flows in one direction (or doesn’t flow at all in the instance of a singularity like a black hole). Stars are born and Universes form after them while at the same time somewhere else, another star goes Supernova and becomes a black hole, sucking in time, space and light. It’s an endless cycle of cataclysmic events beyond the control of even the Universe itself, and without the Universe there’s no way time can exist and if time doesn’t exist then no being can exist, because for him to do something there has to be an element of time for that action to happen.
This is my opinion as mentioned earlier and while I feel it’s important to view an opinion sometimes, I also feel it’s important to hear others too.
None of the above means I’m dissing any religion at all. I still follow traditions and respect the cultures of different people but at the same time I follow my own path of being a decent human being as I don't feel someone needs to follow a faith based life to do that out of fear of not going to heaven.
I've seen a video that says otherwise
But, what is 7 days to god? What is a day to god? Has it been written like that so it is more understandable to the ordinary guy? Can you proove that god doesnt exist, for those who like proof of everything?
In over 20 years of growing up within a religious family stretching around the whole country (of good people who respect others regardless of race or religion) I have realised a few things:
1: Praying doesn't solve anything, it doesn't heal the ill, save the helpless, pay the poor or anything else. Getting up and doing something solves the problem.
2: It can’t be a sin to not worship a God. Hear me out on this one and excuse me if my wording isn’t 100% but it’s still early in the morning although some people will get the idea quickly….
Having heard/been told that holy book XYZ is /the/ final word and that everything one needs to know in order to live a faithful life is written in it, means (to me) that the future has already been destined. If you become a murderer later in life then that’s what God wanted you to become because when God created every soul on this planet he would have foreseen this. So by trying to right a wrong you’re not actually doing a good (or bad) deed, you’re just following the outline God has given your lifeline exactly how he wanted.
Now imagine that kind of thinking in the eyes of your average person and then huddle them together in cities, counties etc…there would be utter chaos. Life would really be a real hell on Earth. Humans need something to follow and something to fear, It’s the way humans work, it is psychology and has been going on since man started walking the planet and began worshipping the Moon/Sun and other creatures of the time.
Current known science tells us that the future can’t have been pre-written because the universe is a playground of random chemical reactions and time naturally flows in one direction (or doesn’t flow at all in the instance of a singularity like a black hole). Stars are born and Universes form after them while at the same time somewhere else, another star goes Supernova and becomes a black hole, sucking in time, space and light. It’s an endless cycle of cataclysmic events beyond the control of even the Universe itself, and without the Universe there’s no way time can exist and if time doesn’t exist then no being can exist, because for him to do something there has to be an element of time for that action to happen.
This is my opinion as mentioned earlier and while I feel it’s important to view an opinion sometimes, I also feel it’s important to hear others too.
None of the above means I’m dissing any religion at all. I still follow traditions and respect the cultures of different people but at the same time I follow my own path of being a decent human being as I don't feel someone needs to follow a faith based life to do that out of fear of not going to heaven.
I've seen a video that says otherwise
Spot on
Are you saying the bible is misleading then? to general joe public 7 days is 7 days.
if it's said the world was created in 7 days, then in theory we should see a planet magically produce in 7 days.
But ZOMG when the Bible was written, we have no idea how long they were referring to when they said days back then!
(common Christian defense of the genesis, along with light forming on day one meaning the sun was made on day one, but on no wait, the sun was also made on day four? I am confused).
...and that is absolutely fine. You are free to believe in whatever you want.
The fact that there is no proof whatsoever, and you admit that, means you're basing your whole belief and close-minded mindset on the writings of men hundreds of years ago.
In time we may find that people find a book that we see as pure fiction, take LOTR, or War of the Worlds for example. The amount of copies of them in the event of a nuclear holocaust, may lead future generations of man to believe that they are factual historical records. Religions may be born of them.
They would be as valid as Christianity.
This thread is like a roundabout!! lol
Round and round and round, believers, non believers etc. Pointless i guess. We cant persuade each other who is right etc. This argument / discussion will go on until the end of time!
Round and round and round, believers, non believers etc. Pointless i guess. We cant persuade each other who is right etc. This argument / discussion will go on until the end of time!
I think there is a big difference between people who believe in the bible, and people who believe in a possibility of a deity.
I don't understand how people can believe in the bible as truth, but I can totally understand why some people believe in the possibility of a greater being. I mean, there is so much we don't know about the universe, we can't discount it.
The bible however was created by man, and is some mens answer to try to figure out their origins and where life came from. It gives people control and comfort.
When the bible came out, and Christianity was created, science didn't exist. Peoples knowledge of the world and the universe was miniscule, and everyone was looking for a reason, something to believe in to explain why they are here.
Now we have science, we can start to explain the origins of the universe and us as a species, the bible and religion as a whole, is out-dated and archaic.
I think we think of ourselves as too important.
Humans as a species have been around for about 200,000 years, which in the grand scheme of things, is nothing.
Dinosaurs were around for about 165 million years.
We are nothing, we are small and insignificant.
We created religion to give us hope and to try to explain our explain our existence, we now have science, we now have the ability to know better.
I don't understand how people can believe in the bible as truth, but I can totally understand why some people believe in the possibility of a greater being. I mean, there is so much we don't know about the universe, we can't discount it.
The bible however was created by man, and is some mens answer to try to figure out their origins and where life came from. It gives people control and comfort.
When the bible came out, and Christianity was created, science didn't exist. Peoples knowledge of the world and the universe was miniscule, and everyone was looking for a reason, something to believe in to explain why they are here.
Now we have science, we can start to explain the origins of the universe and us as a species, the bible and religion as a whole, is out-dated and archaic.
I think we think of ourselves as too important.
Humans as a species have been around for about 200,000 years, which in the grand scheme of things, is nothing.
Dinosaurs were around for about 165 million years.
We are nothing, we are small and insignificant.
We created religion to give us hope and to try to explain our explain our existence, we now have science, we now have the ability to know better.
Can you just respond to this?
- You agree there is no logical basis for your belief
- You agree that there is no proof in any higher power
- You agree that the Bible is written by man's hand
- Your opinions are fully unshakeable
- You are proud of this
All correct?
Now to the important question.
Do you believe that you have decided this all on your own?
This is exactly it, our existance in the universe is insignificant.
based on what happens to other stars, when our own star dies as we do on earth, it will be the end of our time.
ENJOY LIFE PEOPLE
Sorry, can't help but lol at "when the bible came out". IN ALL GOOD BOOK STORES NEAR YOU
Completely agree with everything you just said, but the Ancient Greeks were big on science, like, really big.
This reminds me of a debate I had regarding the power of prayer & why god had such a thing against amputees, as you know - there has never been a case of a simple amputee growing a new limb.
I put this forward as a form of proof that prayer didn't work - as it's not like every single amputee would be evil, or that they didn't have the right amount of faith.
He kept talking about gods will, but still insisted that prayer worked...
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/summary.htm
I put this forward as a form of proof that prayer didn't work - as it's not like every single amputee would be evil, or that they didn't have the right amount of faith.
He kept talking about gods will, but still insisted that prayer worked...
http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/summary.htm
Yeah I thought that was pretty funny too so left it in
one day someone is going to find the disclaimer page from the bible "all characters in this book are entirely fictional, any refrence to anyone living or dead is purely....."That's true, the Greeks were really big on science, which I'm sure is where a lot of todays understanding has come from.
If only modern society wasn't held back by religion and war, we could explore the universe!
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