going from non-widescreen to widescreen

Guru · 26 Jan 2007 at 17:40

I'm considering going widescreen, I am used to a 19" viewable tft (non-wide) and I don't want a screen where the viewable height is less than what I'm used to.

My question is.... what size monitor will I have to buy to ensure that the viewable height of the actual screen is greater than or equal to that of a 19" non-wide monitor? It will obviously have to be bigger than 19" as it's done diagonally, but what size?

and how much do they cost?

Any recommendations would be brilliant.

The ******* that are not replacing my faulty monitor are only giving me a £226 refund so I'm losing out on about 60 quid there, but thats what I've got to put towards this new screen.

My girlfriend will put in another £50 cause we will both be using it and I will put up another £100 at the most, giving £376.

So the budget is between £226 and £376.

I use it for games and dvds.

Cheers all,

G

p.s. I would consider a non-wide if it was bigger than 19"

<3

Guru · 26 Jan 2007 at 18:21

Socaddict said:
i can't recommend the belinea 22" enough.

but it does all sorta depend on what you want it for.

Playing CZ and watching movies

That one seems a very good price!

I'm guessing 24" is way out of my budget?

/edit I need dvi...does that belinea not have it for some reason?

Guru · 26 Jan 2007 at 18:30

yeah looks like 22" is the way forward.

with these 2 below... I dont understand why the 2nd is more expensive even though its only 20.1"?

Dell E228WFP 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black Dell E228WFP 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black

1680x1050 Resolution, 800:1 Contrast Ratio, 5ms Response Time, 300 cd/m2 Brightness, 1x Analogue Input, 1x Digital Input, 4yr On-Site Warranty.
DELL Pre-order £229.99
(£270.24)
Dell Ultrasharp 2007FP 20.1" Performance LCD Monitor - Midnight Grey Dell Ultrasharp 2007FP 20.1" Performance LCD Monitor - Midnight Grey

1600x1200 Resolution, 800:1 Contrast Ratio, 16ms Response Time, 300 cd/m2 Brightness, 1x Analogue Input, 1x Digital Input, 4yr On-Site Warranty.
Average rating of 5.0 DELL 1 in stock £249.99
(£293.74)

Guru · 26 Jan 2007 at 19:17

I can tell the difference even without my glasses on my old monitor had both dvi AND analogue and non-dvi looks gash to me now.

I like the look/price of that V7 at the moment. Anyone any experience of it?

Cheers,

G

Guru · 26 Jan 2007 at 22:06

if that belinea had dvi I think I would place an order right now

But I'm a fussy git and apart from anything else I already spent £30 on this dvi cable not to mention my dual dvi gfx card that I cba to find the adapters for lol

I think I will go for a 22" with DVI, again suggestions are most welcome

Also, does anyone know if Condition Zero and Counter Strike and bf2 even support widescreen? and if they do does that mean I'd be able to see more than the other players without moving my characters head? lol

Cheers,

G

Guru · 26 Jan 2007 at 22:15

fish99 said:
22" widescreen (16:10) is slightly less physical height than a 19" 5:4 but it is more pixels. 24" widescreen is taller than 19" 5:4.

19" 5:4 height 11.87 inch.
22" 16:10 height 11.66 inch.
24" 16:10 height 12.72 inch.

This might be a dumb question and if I hadn't been drinking I could probably be bothered to work it out....but do you know the widths too mate?

Guru · 27 Jan 2007 at 10:48

looks like my games DO support wide screen

which 22" widenutter monitor should I get.......

preferences:

DVI
1000:1
<8ms
decent viewing angles

Cheers,

G

Guru · 27 Jan 2007 at 12:05

fish99 said:
All the 22" screens are TN+Film panels so you won't get great viewing angles. You need PVA/MVA/IPS to get the best viewing angles and they're only made in 20" and 24" and they cost more.

Your options would be to find another £100 for the 24" Dell, get a 20" instead with a quality MVA/PVA/IPS panel, or put up with the viewing angles on the 22" ers. 20" widescreen wouldn't seem much of an upgrade from a 19" 5:4 I think and you'd lose height (20" widescreen is only 10.6 inches high). The Dell 24" is an awesome screen but do you really want to pay over £450 for it.

Probably 22" is still your best option. Dunno which one though. You can get the V7 for £220 with DVI if you really wanna save some money. If you want something better, the Asus looks good when they get the overdrive ghosting issue fixed. Use the forum search to look for threads about them all, there's loads of info out there already.

Thanks for your help again, you certainly seem to know your stuff

This is the one I'm thinking about at the moment:

Purely because the people who I got my monitor off have them and it will save a refund I can just do a swap and still get my £2 a month accidental damage insureance cover

Iiyama Pro Lite E2200WS

Iiyama Pro Lite E2200WS - Flat panel display - TFT - 22" - widescreen - 1680 x 1050 / 65 Hz - 300 cd/m2 - 1000:1 - 5 ms - 0.282 mm - DVI, VGA (HD-15) - black

Seems like a good spec I think?

My old monitor was a 19" Philips 190X6FB I dont know if it was a TN panel or not but the specs were:

Extended specifications
General
Weight: 7.2 kg
Depth: 18.1 cm
Width: 44.4 cm
Height: 43.6 cm
Compatibility: PC
Display Type: Flat panel display / TFT active matrix
Power
Voltage Required: AC 120/230 V ( 50/60 Hz )
Form Factor: Internal
Power Consumption Stand by / Sleep: 1 Watt
Power Consumption Operational: 41 Watt
Expansion / Connectivity
Interfaces:

* 1 x VGA - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15)
* 1 x DVI-D - 24 pin digital DVI
* 1 x audio line-in - mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm
* 1 x USB

Image
Image Max H-View Angle: 160
Image Max V-View Angle: 160
Image Contrast Ratio: 700:1
Image Brightness: 300 cd/m2
Video Input
Analogue video Signal: RGB
Digital Video Standard: Digital Visual Interface (DVI)
Miscellaneous
Compliant Standards: FCC Class B certified, CE, MPR II, CSA, UL, TUV, EPA Energy Star, ISO 13406-2, NUTEK, SEMKO
MTBF: 50,000 hour(s)
Cables Included:

* 1 x VGA cable
* 1 x audio cable
* 1 x USB cable

Environmental Parameters
Min Operating Temperature: 5 °C
Max Operating Temperature: 35 °C
Humidity Range Operating: 20 - 80%
Display
Dot Pitch / Pixel Pitch: 0.294 mm
Controls / Adjustments: Volume, brightness
Max Sync Rate (V x H): 76 Hz x 83 kHz
OSD Languages: Chinese (simplified), English, German, French, Italian, Spanish
Video Bandwidth: 140 MHz
Display Screen Coating: Anti-reflective
Response Time: 8 ms
Viewable Size: 19"
Interface: DVI, VGA (HD-15)
Diagonal Size: 19"
Max Resolution: 1280 x 1024 / 75 Hz
Features: LightFrame
Audio Output
Type: Speaker(s) - stereo - integrated
Output Power / Channel: 3 Watt

I absolutely adored this monitor but sadly despite trying for 4 months whilst I've been on my shabby old out of focus crt the shop cannot get hold of a replacement for me.

The specs for the Ilyama are this:

Extended specifications
General
Weight: 5.8 kg
Depth: 17.3 cm
TFT Technology: TN
Width: 51.7 cm
Height: 44.4 cm
Compatibility: PC, Mac
Display Type: Flat panel display / TFT active matrix
Enclosure Colour: Black
Built-in Devices: Stereo speakers
Image
Image Max H-View Angle: +85 / -85
Image Max V-View Angle: +85 / -75
Image Contrast Ratio: 1000:1
Image Brightness: 300 cd/m2
Video Input
Analogue video Signal: RGB
Digital Video Standard: Digital Visual Interface (DVI)
Display
Dot Pitch / Pixel Pitch: 0.282 mm
Controls / Adjustments: Volume, brightness, contrast, H/V position, input select, phase, clock
Max Sync Rate (V x H): 75 Hz x 83 kHz
OSD Languages: English, German, French, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Japanese
Video Bandwidth: 162 MHz
Response Time: 5 ms
Interface: DVI, VGA (HD-15)
Diagonal Size: 22" - widescreen
Max Resolution: 1680 x 1050 / 65 Hz
Colour support: 24-bit (16.7 million colours)
Audio Output
Type: Speaker(s) - stereo - integrated
Output Power / Channel: 1 Watt
Software / System Requirements
OS Required: Apple MacOS, Microsoft Windows 95/98/ME/2000/XP
Power
Voltage Required: AC 120/230 V ( 50/60 Hz )
Form Factor: Internal
Power Consumption Stand by / Sleep: 2 Watt
Power Consumption Operational: 60 Watt
Expansion / Connectivity
Interfaces:

* 1 x VGA - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15)
* 1 x DVI-D - 24 pin digital DVI
* 1 x audio line-in - mini-phone stereo 3.5 mm

Miscellaneous
Compliant Standards: TCO '03, FCC Class B certified, CE, UL, TUV GS, VCCI Class B ITE, GOST, cUL, DDC-2B, ISO 13406-2, MPR III
Cables Included:

* 1 x VGA cable
* 1 x audio cable

Flat Panel Mount Interface: 100 x 100 mm
Features: Security lock slot (cable lock sold separately), wall mountable, tilt adjustment

I loved the Philips and the backlight bleed and viewing angles were both manageable.

Would you say I'd be ok with the Ilyama?

Cheers,

G

Guru · 27 Jan 2007 at 15:13

hmm yeah that review doesnt exactly praise it.

Tempted by the Asus MW221U 22" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Silver/Black now lol

so hard to decide!!

Does anyone know what day they will change the this week only bit? cause I may wait n see if there is a 22" in there when they change it.

Guru · 28 Jan 2007 at 09:21

fish99 said:
Think TWO changes sometime thursday. Yeah the Asus looks great but has an issue with the overdrive causing pale ghost echoes in front of moving things, although you can turn the overdrive off. Asus have a fix for it, but some of the screens out there at retailers won't include it yet.

Check out the big thread about it for more certain info-

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17669307

thanks for the link! just read all of that and now I'm looking for other recommendations! lol

Guru · 28 Jan 2007 at 14:09

This is a list of the 22" tft's that I can get from the people who have my broken one at the moment in exchange if I pay the extra any of these highly recommended? Bearing in mind I'd like dvi, no ghosting, and preferably no backlight bleed :confused:

:

BenQ FP222Wa - Flat panel display - TFT - 22" - widescreen - 1680 x 1050 - 300 cd/m2 - 700:1 - 5 ms - 0.282 mm - VGA (HD-15)

Iiyama Pro Lite E2200WS - Flat panel display - TFT - 22" - widescreen - 1680 x 1050 / 65 Hz - 300 cd/m2 - 1000:1 - 5 ms - 0.282 mm - DVI, VGA (HD-15) - black

Acer AL2216Wsd - Flat panel display - TFT - 22" - widescreen - 1680 x 1050 - 300 cd/m2 - 700:1 - 5 ms - 0.282 mm - DVI, VGA (HD-15) - silver

ViewSonic VG2230wm - Flat panel display - TFT - 22" - widescreen - 1680 x 1050 / 60 Hz - 280 cd/m2 - 700:1 - 5 ms - 0.282 mm - DVI, VGA (HD-15)

Samsung SM225BW Lasrge Format TFT 22" Wide Silver

Samsung SyncMaster 225BW - Flat panel display - TFT - 22" - widescreen - 1680 x 1050 - 280 cd/m2 - 700:1 - 5 ms - 0.282 mm - DVI, VGA (HD-15) - silver

ViewSonic VX2245wm - Flat panel display - TFT - 22" - widescreen - 1680 x 1050 - 280 cd/m2 - 700:1 - 5 ms - 0.282 mm - DVI, VGA (HD-15) - matte black, gloss piano black

Acer AL2416WAs - Flat panel display - TFT - 24" - widescreen - 1920 x 1200 - 300 cd/m2 - 800:1 - 6 ms - 0.27 mm - VGA (HD-15) - black, silver

/edit the ones in bold are in stock or in in the next few days.

Plz help me chose