Maybe so but merely an observation how yet again certain people on these forums will only look at one side of an issue to suit their own partisan beliefs and never consider that both sides are being greedy little muppets on this issue. Why the hell we took the olympics I don't know - stupid idea from the off.
Good old Serwotka.
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Maybe so but merely an observation how yet again certain people on these forums will only look at one side of an issue to suit their own partisan beliefs and never consider that both sides are being greedy little muppets on this issue. Why the hell we took the olympics I don't know - stupid idea from the off.
When are people going to get it in their thick heads that the government cant create growth. It shows a very basic misunderstanding of how taxation and revenue works. All the "growth" you had over the decade was from government debt.
It's the private sector who should go on strike.
It's the private sector who should go on strike.
He might be getting confused with the alleged victimisation of Union reps by the Govt...not to mention the tactics management employ against their staff which is tantamount to the same thing....
High moral in the workplace and happy staff rarely if ever want to strike. When an employer actively stops listening to their workforce then you are asking for trouble, and the Govt stopped listening, they wouldn't even talk to the Union, so it's no good them crying over it now, they should have been in negotiations with their staff a long time ago.
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They can't create but they can stimulate. I fully understand how tax and revenue works and I also understand that there is a basic level of social, health and educational support provided for by the public sector, through taxation, in this country that provides a theoretically educated and healthy enough workforce to enable a private sector to function. Guess you want to ignore that part ...
health, education and all that can be done by the private sector. It's going to get paid for either way. Either you can pay for it with taxes and have an inept government monopoly run it, or pay for it directly and have free market competition run it.
The only thing the government needs to do is infrastructure, the enforcement of property rights (including national defense), and the minting of money (you could include that with infrastructure). That's it. That's the extent to which they can stimulate growth. That's all the framework the private sector needs to function on efficiently.
Anything above that is just wealth redistribution. It's fake.
You want to know why education is so expensive? government backed student loans.
Why health is so expensive in the USA? government medicaid, medicare, etc.
Everything the government touches beyond infrastructure and property rights turns to ****. The reverse midas touch.
The only thing the government needs to do is infrastructure, the enforcement of property rights (including national defense), and the minting of money (you could include that with infrastructure). That's it. That's the extent to which they can stimulate growth. That's all the framework the private sector needs to function on efficiently.
Anything above that is just wealth redistribution. It's fake.
You want to know why education is so expensive? government backed student loans.
Why health is so expensive in the USA? government medicaid, medicare, etc.
Everything the government touches beyond infrastructure and property rights turns to ****. The reverse midas touch.
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exactly this government stopped negotiating and turned to hitting with a stick, hence why the unions are now throwing strikes around like candy, as its their only weapon. i would also say that perhaps striking is public image suicide for the PCS and a work to rule would be much more effective and expose gaps in the employers systems, lack of proper staffing etc.
are you confusing refusing to negotiate on a budget with refusal to negotiate around implementation? or does stubbornness only apply from one side?
if the government was really wanting to play hard ball, they would have issued section 188 notices a while ago to force the issue...
if the government was really wanting to play hard ball, they would have issued section 188 notices a while ago to force the issue...
[TW]Fox;22383608 said:Do these people really think that making the UK a laughing stock by going on strike during the Olympics will do ANYTHING to help growth in this country?
It seems they are all it - bus drivers, train drivers, border staff, you name it, lets threaten a strike in the middle of the UK's time on the world stage
That's the best time to do it for the money grabbing so and so's, they are only worried about themselves.
The problem is, they'll always have this ability to effectively blackmail their employer. So even if they get what they want, they'll only want more, and more, and more. It's very sad really.
Bless, it's a wonder you're still alive when you are so naive.
Caporegime
That sort of thinking got G4S into the mess they're in at the moment.
Because everyone voting for an elected representative is exactly the same scenario as a small group of people voting to withhold services from the taxpaying public?
If you're going to give so much power to so few people, there have to be regulations about how that gets wielded.
The issue isn't so much people striking at the drop of a hat, it's the use of the public as a bargaining chip that I've got a problem with.
Sure that wasn't just ****-poor management?
Caporegime
Yes, poor management for thinking they could hire 10,000 temporary workers immediately prior to the event they were going to be stewarding.
Caporegime
[TW]Fox;22383608 said:Do these people really think that making the UK a laughing stock by going on strike during the Olympics will do ANYTHING to help growth in this country?
It seems they are all it - bus drivers, train drivers, border staff, you name it, lets threaten a strike in the middle of the UK's time on the world stage
The 3-4 hour queues we saw at Heathrow in the run up to the Olympics, and will inevitably see after the Olympics doesn't really do anything to help the country either.
Well, that entirely depends on what roles you're trying to fill. It's not beyond the realm of possibility to recruit, hire and train a person to do a low-skill role in a relatively short time-frame.
Would you deny that these strikes have been timed in a slightly opportunistic way?
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Yes, but they'd rather deal with strikes than riots
That attitude is exactly why there should be no appeasement for the blackmailers.
Caporegime
One person is OK, but recruiting 10,000 people is a completely different challenge.
It'd be rather pointless scheduling a strike when no-one notices wouldn't it? It totally sucks that people will be inconvenienced in this way, imo some sections of UKBA should have a no strike agreement in place. However the government secretly like strikes don't they? They get to point and laugh at poor Ed Milliband for not condemning the strikes.