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Badger1970

Badger1970

Badger1970

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Hi

Current set up is:

Asus TUF X99 Sabertooth Intel X99
2070 Super
Intel i7-5820K 3.30GHz
Team Group Elite 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit
Samsung SM951 512GB M.2 PCI-e 3.0 x 4 NVMe Solid State Drive
Noctua NH-U9S PU Cooler

I mainly game but looking at some previous posts about the 5820k upgrading at the moment could be dubious.

Is the 5820k bottle necking the GPU?

Cheers
S
 
Badger1970 said:
Hi

Current set up is:

Asus TUF X99 Sabertooth Intel X99
2070 Super
Intel i7-5820K 3.30GHz
Team Group Elite 32GB (4x8GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C16 2400MHz Quad Channel Kit
Samsung SM951 512GB M.2 PCI-e 3.0 x 4 NVMe Solid State Drive
Noctua NH-U9S PU Cooler

I mainly game but looking at some previous posts about the 5820k upgrading at the moment could be dubious.

Is the 5820k bottle necking the GPU?

Cheers
S
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what resolution you gaming at ? and what current games do you play at the moment ?
 
Badger1970 said:
Hi

resolution is 2560 x 1440. Mainly play Pubg and WOT.
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Easiest to do is 11600k and z490 board as you can keep your 2400hx ram . Going 10700k would set you back about £100 more for the slightly lower IPC but higher core count .
Ryzen 5600/5800 would be another ideal choice but you'd need to scrap the ram .. and 32GB will set you back a good amount ..
 
Does it do what you want it to do, you should be getting good framerates in games with that system even if you have to lower a few settings in the latest games like cyberpunk. I think to get much of an upgrade you will want a full system upgrade of cpu and gpu. Personally I would suggest waiting until the Nvidia 4000 series or AMD 7000 series of gpu until you upgrade that system unless you bag an FE nvidia at MRSP and sell on your 2070
 
Use HWInfo when playing a game and check the GPU & CPU utilization. If the GPU is maxed and CPU is not, then your CPU likely isn't a bottle neck and upgrading won't gain you anything. I recently bought some new memory, since I wanted to make a second PC from my old parts, and even upgrading from 32GB 2400MHz C16 to 32GB 3800MHz C16 didn't make a difference to performance. So I doubt memory is limiting you either.

Since you game at 1440p, what is your monitor refresh rate?
 
10400f, B560 and some 3200MHz+ RAM, it will cost you almost nothing once you've sold the X99 kit, and you'll lose very little if you want to upgrade it within the next 12 months, once the new platforms are out.
 
To start with at 1440p you are probably not bottlenecking your GPU that much. At 1080p yea most things will bottleneck a 3070 upwards. [update] you have a 2070 .. see how I misread that, then you should be fine.
If you have not done so you should look at OCing the CPU, it is 6core 12threads so should be hanging in there for higher resolutions.

As for what next I'd probably look for 8 core 16 threads in your future or even more. It sounds like you want performance given what you have, so 10850k or 5900k seem to be a good target.
If you want a low cast approach then 10700k esp if/when prices drop as 11th gen comes out.
 
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The 5820K is still a decent chip, I wouldn't bother upgrading from that to something like a 10400F. I doubt your 2070S is bottlenecking with it at 1440P, but if you want to be 100% sure of that use MSI Afterburners OSD to monitor your CPU/GPU usage in the games you play, that way you'll know for certain.
 
Thanks all

The 2070 super is just over a year old so I don't really want to be changing that. I'll check out one of those cpu/gpu utilisation monitors to see what i'm getting.

Thx
s
 
as Journey mentioned for cheapness

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £260.44 (includes shipping: £10.50)​
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or overclock 11600k to 5ghz all cores

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £449.44 (includes shipping: £10.50)​
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board prices a bit steep here and lot sold out etc
 
Journey said:
10400f, B560 and some 3200MHz+ RAM, it will cost you almost nothing once you've sold the X99 kit, and you'll lose very little if you want to upgrade it within the next 12 months, once the new platforms are out.
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New platforms? I'm on the cusp of upgrading 3570k -> 5600X. Would I be better off going cheaper for a bit?
 
Badger1970 said:
Thanks all

The 2070 super is just over a year old so I don't really want to be changing that. I'll check out one of those cpu/gpu utilisation monitors to see what i'm getting.

Thx
s
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I'd hold off till the next time you upgrade the GPU before considering a CPU upgrade since 6/12 cores is still pretty decent by today's standard and should see you into the DDR5 era.
 
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New platforms? I'm on the cusp of upgrading 3570k -> 5600X. Would I be better off going cheaper for a bit?
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Depends on how much you care.

AM4 is now EOL it was launched in April of 2017, and has had 4 generations of Ryzen CPU's. AM5 is due at the very latest Q2 '22, but more likely Q1, and it will be all change, new socket, new Zen4 cores/chiplets, new I/O, DDR5, potentially PCI-E 5.0. Lots of people will warn you off buying the first generation of anything, due to cost, bugs, speeds whatever but at least you'll be on a platform that has somewhere to go to, without having to dump it all and start over.

The reason I mentioned the 10400f/B560 is because it offers great performance for a tiny amount of outlay, and even if you swapped it out in 12 months you'd lose such a small amount of money it wouldn't be worth worrying about. You can get a board/CPU/RAM for less than the cost of the 5600X and you get Hitman III thrown in for good measure, which is about £35 worth, and it'll be about 90-99% as fast as the 5600X will be in anything gaming wise.
 
Journey said:
Depends on how much you care.

AM4 is now EOL it was launched in April of 2017, and has had 4 generations of Ryzen CPU's. AM5 is due at the very latest Q2 '22, but more likely Q1, and it will be all change, new socket, new Zen4 cores/chiplets, new I/O, DDR5, potentially PCI-E 5.0. Lots of people will warn you off buying the first generation of anything, due to cost, bugs, speeds whatever but at least you'll be on a platform that has somewhere to go to, without having to dump it all and start over.

The reason I mentioned the 10400f/B560 is because it offers great performance for a tiny amount of outlay, and even if you swapped it out in 12 months you'd lose such a small amount of money it wouldn't be worth worrying about. You can get a board/CPU/RAM for less than the cost of the 5600X and you get Hitman III thrown in for good measure, which is about £35 worth, and it'll be about 90-99% as fast as the 5600X will be in anything gaming wise.
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Dammit, man. I was so close to ordering my 5600X/B550-F/32gb combination and being done with recalculating. Now I'll have to do it all again.

Translation: Thankyou, Sir, for probably saving me £400 and giving me an excuse for surfing OcUK for another 3-4 hours. :D
 
miceormen said:
Dammit, man. I was so close to ordering my 5600X/B550-F/32gb combination and being done with recalculating. Now I'll have to do it all again.

Translation: Thankyou, Sir, for probably saving me £400 and giving me an excuse for surfing OcUK for another 3-4 hours. :D
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Ha, as they say there is never a good time to buy, but sometimes there are terrible times, and not so terrible. I'd say right now is kind of in-between, as you've got great competition bringing the costs right down (for Intel) and making them add features they didn't have before (RAM OC on low end motherboards). I sold a 3570K/Z77/16GB for £115 a few weeks ago, so if you went with the 10400f/B560/16GB you might only have to spend £130-70 and you'll have a huge increase in performance.
 
Journey said:
Ha, as they say there is never a good time to buy, but sometimes there are terrible times, and not so terrible. I'd say right now is kind of in-between, as you've got great competition bringing the costs right down (for Intel) and making them add features they didn't have before (RAM OC on low end motherboards). I sold a 3570K/Z77/16GB for £115 a few weeks ago, so if you went with the 10400f/B560/16GB you might only have to spend £130-70 and you'll have a huge increase in performance.
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Wicked. Playing with options now. Does the memory speed difference between 2666 max on the B460 and 3200 on the B550 impact games much? My GPU is an RX 580 8gb btw - the 5600X purchase was aimed at snapping up a 6800 when opportunity knocks or prices settle.
 
miceormen said:
Wicked. Playing with options now. Does the memory speed difference between 2666 max on the B460 and 3200 on the B550 impact games much? My GPU is an RX 580 8gb btw - the 5600X purchase was aimed at snapping up a 6800 when opportunity knocks or prices settle.
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Avoid the B460, and go B560/H570, 3200MHz is the normal no OC speed, but you can OC past this speed and get real benefits still, 3600MHz/4000MHz RAM isn't that expensive presently.

The AMD platform is much superior if you ignore the price, if you don't then it is still better, but not in terms of cost per frame if you are gaming. Either of them will be overkill for the RX 580, but will also happily push an RX 6800 to its limits as well, assuming you are looking at 1440p once you upgrade.
 
Journey said:
Avoid the B460, and go B560/H570, 3200MHz is the normal no OC speed, but you can OC past this speed and get real benefits still, 3600MHz/4000MHz RAM isn't that expensive presently.

The AMD platform is much superior if you ignore the price, if you don't then it is still better, but not in terms of cost per frame if you are gaming. Either of them will be overkill for the RX 580, but will also happily push an RX 6800 to its limits as well, assuming you are looking at 1440p once you upgrade.
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B560 mobos aren't available yet, best I can tell - is there a solid ~£120 Z490 alternative?

Current spec:

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £599.71 (includes shipping: £19.80)​
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