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Talking about wage brackets at work and what will happen in the next review, and remembered that minimum wage is based on age. (It’s been a while since I had to worry about the age bit!).

Am I missing something here or is this a direct example of discrimination based on a protected charecteristic?
 
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It's alright if you make the laws apparently.

Can't wait for when >50's get a higher minimum wage to keep them from retiring, that'll be a hoot.
Pretty much this to be honest. Minimum wage age brackets are to manipulate the job market.

The argument why 16 year olds are cheaper to employ is to encourage employers to give them a go since they won’t have any experience.
 
Pretty much this to be honest. Minimum wage age brackets are to manipulate the job market.

The argument why 16 year olds are cheaper to employ is to encourage employers to give them a go since they won’t have any experience.
It'd be great if the apprenticeship scheme wasn't just a pretentious plaster concocted by people who seem to forget it exists.
 
It'd be great if the apprenticeship scheme wasn't just a pretentious plaster concocted by people who seem to forget it exists.

But what about applicants who are 23+ who have no experience - can I pay them less than minimum wages because I’m taking a ‘chance’ on them?
 
Am I missing something here or is this a direct example of discrimination based on a protected charecteristic?

Seems there's some nuance to the Equality Act with regards to age.


So does the NMW constitute a case of age discrimination?

The Equality Act states the following:

(2) If the protected characteristic is age, A does not discriminate against B if A can show A's treatment of B to be a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

The question therefore is whether the varying the rates within the Act have been set to achieve a legitimate aim and that the different rates are a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

The Low Pay Commission (“LPC”) advises the government on the NMW and concludes that varying of the NMW rate does achieve a legitimate aim on the following grounds:

  • Unemployment for 21 – 24 year olds not in full-time education is twice as high as for 25 – 30 year olds.
  • The reality that the average wages of young workers are lower than older workers due to less experience, less qualifications and higher training costs.
  • The rates reflect a more subtle consideration in that education plays a critical role in enabling higher earnings and job security. The NMW has been designed to address exploitation in work, without encouraging young people to enter the labour market full-time who might otherwise stay at school, or college.
  • Living expenses of younger people tend to be lower than that of older people.
Therefore the varying rates of pay for different age groups are deemed to be a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim as they make employing younger people more attractive to employers, assist in decreasing unemployment levels for younger people, encourage younger people to stay in education, are reflective of the fact that older workers generally have a higher education and greater experience and because younger people tend to have lower living costs.
 
Seems there's some nuance to the Equality Act with regards to age.


BME unemployment rate stood at 6.9% in 2022, compared to 3.2% for white workers

Should businesses be able to pay BME workers less to encourage them to employ more from a BME background?

Also, does this not discriminate against an older person who has limited experience as the business would automatically go with the cheaper option?
 
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BME unemployment rate stood at 6.9% in 2022, compared to 3.2% for white workers

Should businesses be able to pay BME workers less to encourage them to employ more from a BME background?

Also, does this not discriminate against an older person who has limited experience as the business would automatically go with the cheaper option?
How does a BME worker “grow out” of being BME? Or you just would allow businesses to pay BME people less, permanently?

The issue with age is there’s good evidence that people failing to get into the job market at a young age, are more likely to spend their life out of work, so the law is attempting to address the issue of older people not having the experience or skills.
 
How does a BME worker “grow out” of being BME? Or you just would allow businesses to pay BME people less, permanently?

What does a young worker “grow out of” that is not an assumption based on age?

Then can you not imagine that some interviewers would use the same conscious / subconscious bias’ contributing to the BME Unemployment numbers? So the “pay them less, make them more attractive to employ” fix would be applicable?
 
What does a young worker “grow out of” that is not an assumption based on age?

Then can you not imagine that some interviewers would use the same conscious / subconscious bias’ contributing to the BME Unemployment numbers? So the “pay them less, make them more attractive to employ” fix would be applicable?
They grow up and gain work experience so their minimum wage increases with age.

I’m not sure allowing employers to pay cut price wages to BME on a permanent basis is particularly progressive way to go.
 
They grow up and gain work experience so their minimum wage increases with age.

I’m not sure allowing employers to pay cut price wages to BME on a permanent basis is particularly progressive way to go.

I’m not saying it should be a thing! The opposite! The law should not dictate how much to pay based on characteristics…at all.

Define “grow up”?
I know plenty of adults that act like large children.

anybody of any age can be in need of gaining experience and would benefit from such.

If you mean grow up as in terms of size / strength - should we pay women less for jobs where physical ability would affect performance, as on average women are less strong?
 
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