GPU issue?

andeyknox

andeyknox

andeyknox

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I have a pc of 4 years, lately when I'm gaming I'm having 'fps' issues.
What I mean by this is when I first load a game up its fine then maybe 30 mins or so in its like I'm playing on 20 fps it's juttery and so bad that I can't play. The weird thing is on the fps counters in games it still says well over 150 when in this jittery stage.
Im so confused at what it could be and any help would be appriciate!

I have a Amd raedon 380 2gb.
The games I play are csgo and fortnite
 
SamyBoy13 said:
What are your temps like? Sounds like a gpu or maybe cpu is overheating then underclocking to prevent damage.

However firstly what are your full specs, please?
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My specs are i5 4460 3.2ghz
8gb ram
250ssd
1tb hd
amd raedon r380

Temps when gaming are: https://gyazo.com/c54faf802ac18ee4baf20f33fe48fe66
GPU normally reaches in the 50s after a while EDIT: also ignore the 24fps bit its cause i minimized its usually 150+ constant.

but yeah its like something changes mid game once i restart my computer its fine again for the first so and so minutes. Any suggestions on what i could do? Also thanks for quick reply!
 
SamyBoy13 said:
Not quite sure what is system temp of 114C. It could be something overheating or no sensor thus it puts a random number there.
Can you download HWMONITOR from cpuid website to check temps? It is a well used and regarded software.

Few more questions. I read your reply but want some clarifications. When you get those bad stutters does your computer freeze or if you close down the game you can reopen it? If so does it stutter immediately after reopening the game?

Also, do you just get stutters in cs go or all games? If so there was an issue in the past where some of cpu's cores park over time reducing performance but it shouldn't cause instability.

Additionally, what is your power plan?

As @Lankoss suggested MSI afterburner is a good start. Can you download it, leave it running until you get those stutters and observer for changes as advised. Then report back.
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It doesnt freeze at all its just really juttery like im playing on 10fps, i can close my game and reopen it but it will stutter from the get go, to get rid of it completely i need to restart my pc then i have like 30 mins or so have of normal gameplay before it goes back to 'stuttering'. I only really play CS & Fortnite but it happens in both of them yes.
I believe my power plan is on Balanced. ill download MSI program tomorrow once im home and let you know! What am i looking for just spikes in temps ect?

Quartz said:
That system temperature is a cause for alarm. Which motherboard do you have?
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I have a ASUS H81M-PLUS.
 
SamyBoy13 said:
Not quite sure what is system temp of 114C. It could be something overheating or no sensor thus it puts a random number there.
Can you download HWMONITOR from cpuid website to check temps? It is a well used and regarded software.

Few more questions. I read your reply but want some clarifications. When you get those bad stutters does your computer freeze or if you close down the game you can reopen it? If so does it stutter immediately after reopening the game?

Also, do you just get stutters in cs go or all games? If so there was an issue in the past where some of cpu's cores park over time reducing performance but it shouldn't cause instability.

Additionally, what is your power plan?

As @Lankoss suggested MSI afterburner is a good start. Can you download it, leave it running until you get those stutters and observer for changes as advised. Then report back.
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I know what you mean with the Afterburner thing but i cant for the life of me wonder why i cant have it overlayed over my game when im playing, ive selected the option but it doesnt appear on my game. just in the msi program. Also tried the rivertuner same problem.
 
SamyBoy13 said:
There are plenty of videos on youtube how to set it up, which may help you. I mean you don't have to have the overlay as it will only show you current parameters. You would need to look on a graph for significant dips before stutters occur. Afterburner is able to display stats in a graph format over time. For example the ones on the right, please see spoil 1

MSI+Afterburner.png

Please note that there are various skins for msi afterburner so you may need to change it to get this or similar one. To do this go open msi afterburner -> settings -> can't remember which tab it is under but is one of the on the far right. (I can't check as I'm on my phone).

UPDATE
-Also, what is your ram usage like? Maybe a bad driver leaking causing the ram to fill up?
-What is your power supply model and make?
-Lastly, what were your temps in hwmonitor like, can you post a picture of it when gaming?

Report back with your findings
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Before loading a game up: https://gyazo.com/0c303210f0f42df25eb4a19c6da0bb46 https://gyazo.com/874917abc5b165ea209271f7554865bd

Mid game stuttering: https://gyazo.com/9dab59b32e67ed5e37a5a8c4774c3caf https://gyazo.com/4ffc3d5c70e9467bc108edc0082dc26a

I have 550W Power Supply not sure the make could check if need to once im back?
 
Lankoss said:
It would be helpful if you took the first screenshot again to include the same sensors from the second screenshot so we could actually compare the perameters. I'm still dubious about those temp readings, they may just be erroneous but without the first screenshot to compare them too who knows.
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Sorry, what am i looking for and what exactly is it you need and ill do it once im back?
 
JCLDJB said:
This is your issue OP...

I had this issue before when I has 1 stick of 8Gb running in Single Channel playing PUBG...massive lags all of a sudden.

Are you running 2x4Gb or 1x8Gb?

If 1x8Gb you need to upgrade or reduce the amount of apps running in the background (look at Tasks/Processes under TaskMgr and try to disable non-essential ones in there).

If 2x4Gb, firstly check you're running the RAM in Dual Channel and not Single Channel.

That high amount of RAM with definitely cause the stuttering you are experiencing.

Time for a RAM upgrade, or to try playing the same games at a lower resolution or or lower Texture Level/Detail

Can you, OP, try the same game but at 720p Resolution with Medium preset? See if you still get the issue?
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Ah so you think its a RAM issue? i have 2x4GB sticks atm my motherboard only allows 2 sticks. My brother has just built a new PC with 2x8GB sticks would i be able to try them in my pc and see if it still occurs?
Also i play most games on Low/Medium settings, however at 1920x1080, but ive never had a problem till the past month or so.
 
SamyBoy13 said:
If he builds a new pc now it is ddr4 and your motherboard needs ddr3 so if that is the case it wont fit. When you're playing do you have any internet tabs opened or other programs? I only got another 8gb of ram as AAA titles started using it but 8gb should be plenty for cs go and most of the other games. When I played cs go it was completely fine with 8gb of ram. It is worrying that you have 90% usage as it can cause issues of stutters you are experiencing as @JCLDJB stated.

Also as I mentioned above you may have a memory leaked caused by bad driver i.e. in the past when I had z87 mobo it had an ethernet driver causing the leak. Of course, if you don't have anything opened other than the game. Further does your computer crash after x hours, similar to when in games or is it fine?

I would lunch task manager and see what you got opened and if ram fills up without a reason which would indicate a leak. Usually, with leaks, it will eat 1-3mb every few seconds.
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Ahhh yeah his is DDR4 damn, and i make sure i close everything tabs unused programs ect. i've been in device manager and checked for updates on everything they're all up to date apparently.
My computer never crashes that im forced to restart, like i can still use it if i close the game after the stutters and still use it for interent ect, however sometimes when i watch youtube videos or twitch it does the same just not to the extent of the game stutters like twitch will sometimes desync audio and be 'slow' in a way if ive been watching it for a while. Like i say sometimes. Also now and then after i close a game or minimize it sometimes my screen will go black and an AMD notification will pop up saying: 'Default Raedon WattMan has restored due to an error'. Ill check the task manager once im back should i load a game up and when stutters occur check it or just check immediately? Thanks
 
SamyBoy13 said:
Driver Crashing can occur due to lack of VRAM or bad/damaged drivers or hardware itself. You can try to uninstall them with Display Driver Uninstaller from guru and installing the latest. I'm unsure if this will solve the problem as your RAM usage is in high 80s/ low 90s%. I cannot imagine 90% usage for cs go when only running the game so this can be a memory leak or software you got installed on your pc or applications running
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Could i just buy a new GPU to sort the problem or do you think its more than that?, i was on CSGO a little earlier and my GPU VRAM usage kept shifting from like 15% to 90%+ i didnt play it long enough so the stutter occured which is what im going to try next then record the findings, once im home.

JCLDJB said:
You never had a problem until now cuz as time goes on..you install more and more things on ur pc.

Try this: press the windows key on your keyboard then immediately type [MSCONFIG].
Locate the Boot and Services or Startup TABS.
Then disable any app you don't use regularly (and by regularly, I mean daily).
This will disable a lot of clutter at startup and could free up a lot of RAM.
Then when you are playing a game, make sure you always have at least 10-20% free.
See if it helps with the stutters.
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Already disabled the majority of things all i have on start up are: Realtek, Steam, AVG, Java, Dropbox, Catalyst Control Centre, Intel USB 3.0 Monitor and Steam rest of my programs are disabled.
 
SamyBoy13 said:
I completely missed out the gpu vram usage, but stutter wont occur until 100% ussage in most games. You can test the gpu in your brothers pc if you like. My sister recently got a 750ti 1gb and i played cs go on it with vram usage mid 90s and it didnt stutter after 2 competative matches at all. (She has i7 4790, 8gb ram). What i found generally as you fill up normal computer ram above 85% computer begins to slow down as system paging starts occuring when near the limit.

Few questions
Could you take a screenshot of task manager
sorted by amount of ram used when stuters occur and when pc runs for few minutes??
Did you reinstall the drivers using ddu??

If it helps i can skype with you to guide etc if needed.

UPDATE
Also device manager updates wont get you the latest drivers. Your best bet is manufacturer motherboard website
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Will probably be Monday at the earliest ill be back gaming as im seeing family this weekend, but yes anything im unsure about id be happy to. Also thanks a lot so far for your help!
 
Lankoss said:
OP, You can go round in circles all day or you can try doing what I have already suggested to figure out where the issue lies. Download MSI afterburner, close ALL applications including web browser and launch Afterburner only. On the graph add anything that you can to monitor including anything that monitors temperatures, clock speeds, usages etc for both the GPU and CPU as well as RAM usage. Let it log for 15 mins and then make a note of everything. Once that's done launch the game you are having issues with leaving afterburner running in the background, minimised if need be. Now play the game until the problem occurs then keep playing for another 2 minutes. After that close the game and look at the graphs on afterburner, look for anything that changed when the problem occured. The extra two minutes is to make it easier to spot what exactly changed, if your fps dropped look to see if your RAM usage maxed out, or if the clock speed of the GPU OR CPU dropped. If one of your clock speeds dropped then look at the temperatures at the moment it dropped and make a note of them. Their are so many things that it could be, we could make guesses all day. The best way is to rule out Hardware first then move onto Software issues.
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Yes sorry i forgot to check, i did however take a SS of my MSI screen and wondered if these values meant anything (core clock & mem clock) These were set as default. : https://gyazo.com/fe1fc9c93095f27fc2d94d08d1bf1efc

I will log my temps and speeds once im back Monday and report back with findings!, Also thank you for your help too!
 
SamyBoy13 said:
I completely missed out the gpu vram usage, but stutter wont occur until 100% ussage in most games. You can test the gpu in your brothers pc if you like. My sister recently got a 750ti 1gb and i played cs go on it with vram usage mid 90s and it didnt stutter after 2 competative matches at all. (She has i7 4790, 8gb ram). What i found generally as you fill up normal computer ram above 85% computer begins to slow down as system paging starts occuring when near the limit.

Few questions
Could you take a screenshot of task manager
sorted by amount of ram used when stuters occur and when pc runs for few minutes??
Did you reinstall the drivers using ddu??

If it helps i can skype with you to guide etc if needed.

UPDATE
Also device manager updates wont get you the latest drivers. Your best bet is manufacturer motherboard website
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Before gaming: CPU & GPU - https://gyazo.com/1f270766d42c4f725a575ca6e947e60a https://gyazo.com/285e09b86e66d685ebbc1dee9e80ec73

Stutter: CPU & GPU - https://gyazo.com/bca3fa2e6722649fd93af3938e1f7eba https://gyazo.com/2274b8bbaafeb55b788c205d4b83abaf

Lankoss said:
OP, You can go round in circles all day or you can try doing what I have already suggested to figure out where the issue lies. Download MSI afterburner, close ALL applications including web browser and launch Afterburner only. On the graph add anything that you can to monitor including anything that monitors temperatures, clock speeds, usages etc for both the GPU and CPU as well as RAM usage. Let it log for 15 mins and then make a note of everything. Once that's done launch the game you are having issues with leaving afterburner running in the background, minimised if need be. Now play the game until the problem occurs then keep playing for another 2 minutes. After that close the game and look at the graphs on afterburner, look for anything that changed when the problem occured. The extra two minutes is to make it easier to spot what exactly changed, if your fps dropped look to see if your RAM usage maxed out, or if the clock speed of the GPU OR CPU dropped. If one of your clock speeds dropped then look at the temperatures at the moment it dropped and make a note of them. Their are so many things that it could be, we could make guesses all day. The best way is to rule out Hardware first then move onto Software issues.
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This is basically before, just Netflix loaded up nothing load heavy ect: https://gyazo.com/a2efbe16997e2a6297d32f1156c9246e

Stutters: https://gyazo.com/c04783e4ca08c698482408d909fb24e8

I have rivatuner up ingame and most of the time my VRAM was maxed and my GPU Usage would fluctuate to max frequently.
Also says it uses 5GB+ Ram just for csgo is that normal?
 
Vexr said:
I wouldn't necessarily count on the system temp being a false reading - I was able to get a motherboard up to 109 C on the northbridge/VRMs before it automatically shut down, and those were definitely genuine temps. The OP says his motherboard only has two slots for RAM, which tends to suggest it's an extreme budget model, possibly without a hard shutdown feature for sky high system temps.

If I were you then more screenshots of the Speedfan temps at idle could be useful. Also, opening the case and having a desktop fan blowing inside would probably enormously reduce the VRM/Northbridge system temp (if it is reading properly). It'd be interesting to see if it still stutters the same with that ruled out.
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Yes it probably is a budget one as you say ive had it 5 years ish.

it's always 115 even when i turn my pc on, flicks to 116 occasionally. In both SpeedFan & CPUIDHWMonitor it says 115c majority of the time even when gaming.
 
Vexr said:
If you have a desktop fan and are willing to open the case, I'd suggest you try that anyway. Going by your testimony, the probability lessens that it's a true northbridge/VRM temp reading, but even still... seems odd that a temperature sensor has registered temperatures in that range (just above where other motherboards shutdown automatically) if it was faulty. If it was saying 300C or -80C, then fine, no question, temp sensors are out of order.
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Ill try a fan for the next few days and see how it goes, if worse comes to worst where would you suggest going next? just replacing parts? and if so which should i start with? Thanks
 
Vexr said:
If it is a system temperature issue and isn't a falsely reported sensor reading, you should see a difference very quickly with a fan pointed appropriately at the motherboard.

If that isn't the issue, everyone else on this thread's guess is as good as mine. For some games 4 core / 4 thread Intel's are causing a bottleneck/stuttering problem, but as you seem to have the issue with CS, a notoriously Intel friendly/utilizing few threads game, that seems unlikely.

If the fan really doesn't help, I'd recommend running UserBenchmark: https://www.userbenchmark.com/Software
(Will have to turn off MSI Afterburner for it to run fully).
That may show if a specific component is significantly underperforming.
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Ran the benchmark:

UserBenchmarks: Game 49%, Desk 69%, Work 40%
CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 - 73.1%
GPU: AMD R9 380 - 47.8%
SSD: Ct250bx1 CT250BX10 250GB - 91.9%
HDD: Toshiba DT01ACA100 1TB - 98.5%
RAM: Team Team-Elite-1600 2x4GB - 58.3%
MBD: Asus H81M-PLUS

https://gyazo.com/e1e8fabb42dc39f034e3877f14b1b344
https://gyazo.com/fa683aa25bcdd209889d3ffd1236bc97
 
Vexr said:
All looks good. Did the fan blowing on the motherboard affect system temps / the stutter issues?
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I thought it did, however stuttering still occurred, it's like im fine then all of a sudden itll just stutter for the remainder.
Would you reccommend just buying a new system i think im due an upgrade ive had this 4 yrs lol
 
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