GPU's have stalled like CPU's

Marak · 30 Jul 2017 at 16:01

rtho782 said:
In the last year the pound has dropped what, 25%?

When we vote for economic suicide stuff gets more expensive.

Pound is about 11-12% lower than the day before the vote, and it had been in a bear market for over a year before that anyway. The gov't and BOE love trashing the currency and Carney wasted no time sticking the boot in with extra QE as soon as he could using Brexit as an excuse.

And no one, leaver or remainer, voted for economic suicide stop being silly.

LeMson · 30 Jul 2017 at 16:06

Marak said:
And no one, leaver or remainer, voted for economic suicide stop being silly.

Ahem, I did, would help family memers who are looking to buy houses :-D

FoxEye · 30 Jul 2017 at 16:10

Caracus2k said:
Should always compare the $ price of CPU's and gpu's when comparing generations as that's what their sold in and the £/$ has fluctuated a lot over the past 15 years

770 (GK104) $399
970 (GM204) $329
1070 (GP104) $449 (FE); $379 AIB RRP - in reality AIB prices exceeded FE price, because they could.

Definite jump in price there, unrelated to Brexit. Massive jump between 970 and 1070. Massive. I think actually the existence of the 1070 FE, and no AIB wanting to be cheaper than the FE, has muddied the waters a little. The FE price, rather than being more expensive than the AIB price, became the minimum AIB price instead, with most exceeding it.

beany_bot · 30 Jul 2017 at 16:12

varkanoid said:
Truth is if AMD had a killer card they would sink Nvidia.

Nonsense. Even if AMD released a card with Titan Xpp performance at £300 I guarantee you the masses would still be buying 1060's and 1070's. Because kids love Nvidia. Their marketing is spot on to little CS-GO kids.

FoxEye · 30 Jul 2017 at 16:14

beany_bot said:
Nonsense. Even if AMD released a card with Titan Xpp performance at £300 I guarantee you the masses would still be buying 1060's and 1070's. Because kids love Nvidia. Their marketing is spot on to little CS-GO kids.

Haha, no. This is purely your contempt for anyone that buys nV talking.

x-st · 30 Jul 2017 at 16:30

V F said:
The 5870 and others became rubbish with Crysis 2 when they added Tessellation...

I'm still using my trusty HD 5870 at the moment because of the price points at the moment. Can't afford to get a new system at the moment with the prices where they are and am hoping for some sort of normalisation before the end of the year.

V F · 30 Jul 2017 at 16:47

Well, I wouldn't exactly say rubbish. They had issues with Tessellation. CrossFire 5870 was so lovely with Battlefield 3 on multiplayer 64 player servers. Unless the screen was engulfed in smoke and explosion the frame rate never dropped below 60. Same for Battlefield 4.

humbug · 30 Jul 2017 at 16:59

There is such a thing as using far too much Tessellation, so much that it adds 0 visual value but has a massive unnecessary impact on performance.

Like this... what you are looking at below is from Crysis 2 and the number of polygons in that are in the millions where a few thousand would look exactly the same.

There was never anything wrong with AMD's Tessellation per-say, not when the game developer didn't 'for whatever reason' use insane amounts of it.
One more thing, What you are looking at below would never come out of 3DSMax like that unless you deliberately made it like that, make of that what you will.

V F · 30 Jul 2017 at 17:02

I think they done it on purpose to cripple ATi/AMD back then?...

Martini1991 · 30 Jul 2017 at 17:55

humbug said:
There is such a thing as using far too much Tessellation, so much that it adds 0 visual value but has a massive unnecessary impact on performance.

Like this... what you are looking at below is from Crysis 2 and the number of polygons in that are in the millions where a few thousand would look exactly the same.

There was never anything wrong with AMD's Tessellation per-say, not when the game developer didn't 'for whatever reason' use insane amounts of it.
One more thing, What you are looking at below would never come out of 3DSMax like that unless you deliberately made it like that, make of that what you will.

I agree there's no point in that amount of tessellation.

There was also the water being rendered consistently when there wasn't any need etc.
But the 5870's were weak at tessellation. The first proper title to demonstrate this was Metro 2033.

V F · 30 Jul 2017 at 18:01

How was the 6 series with Tessellation?

Martini1991 · 30 Jul 2017 at 18:03

V F said:
How was the 6 series with Tessellation?

Much better.

humbug · 30 Jul 2017 at 18:10

Martini1991 said:
I agree there's no point in that amount of tessellation.

There was also the water being rendered consistently when there wasn't any need etc.
But the 5870's were weak at tessellation. The first proper title to demonstrate this was Metro 2033.

Ok, TBH i don't know that much about the HD 5000 series.

greatash · 30 Jul 2017 at 23:41

tyler_jrb said:
Mining, brexit and no competition from AMD are the main causes right now.

Although you are quite wrong in some regards.

770-970-1070.

They all pretty much launched at the same price while being a lot quicker than the last gen.

1070 is a lot more expensive than the 970. 970 was like £260 on launch compared to £400+ of the 1070.

1060 is the same price range and performance as the 970 gave us 3 years ago.

edit: I always thought the 770 was a poor card compared to the 280x, but yeah maxwell was a decent step up from kepler. most arguments are for the stagnating price/perf since 2014/970/290

Strife212 · 31 Jul 2017 at 00:19

It's not remotely as bad as CPUs, with CPUs you can be on x58 from 8 years ago and still be maxing out games.

JediFragger · 31 Jul 2017 at 00:33

greatash said:
1060 is the same price range and performance as the 970 gave us 3 years ago.

To be fair the 970 is still extremely capable at 1080p, proving to be great value for money so far!

tyler_jrb · 31 Jul 2017 at 00:36

greatash said:
1070 is a lot more expensive than the 970. 970 was like £260 on launch compared to £400+ of the 1070.

1060 is the same price range and performance as the 970 gave us 3 years ago.

edit: I always thought the 770 was a poor card compared to the 280x, but yeah maxwell was a decent step up from kepler. most arguments are for the stagnating price/perf since 2014/970/290

It's £400 now (mining) yes but when the 1070 launched you could get it for £375 and under.

Same as the 970 was around £300, launched at ($330). Taking brexit into consideration, works out to a similar pricing point.

no_1_dave · 31 Jul 2017 at 01:05

AMD haven't had a decent card since the 9800 Pro.
Each generation since then Nvidia has had the better high end cards

Doogles · 31 Jul 2017 at 01:12

varkanoid said:
Truth is if AMD had a killer card they would sink Nvidia. They dont. How is that our problem. We dont make the cards. You have to make a card first before someone parts with their cash. Never heard such humbug in all my life ! No problem here, move along chip wrappers.

If AMD made VEGA beat a 1080ti I'd buy it no problem, but we know they won't I fully support them, even brought a Freesync monitor for IF they done so.

Klo · 31 Jul 2017 at 01:23

no_1_dave said:
AMD haven't had a decent card since the 9800 Pro.
Each generation since then Nvidia has had the better high end cards

Even if that is true, there are more metrics than just speed that define a decent card.