graphics card for crysis on 24"

ineed2upgrade · 13 Dec 2007 at 12:41

what would be a good card for playable frame rates on a 24" lcd when playing crysis?
would a 8800gtx be sufficient or would an ultra be more preferable or even an overclocked card?

when's the 8800 successor due out?

Mint_Sauce · 13 Dec 2007 at 12:44

8800GTX 768mb will be ok, don't think the ultra is worth it unless it's similar in price. Two 8800GTX 768 (or ultras) in SLI is the only way to get very high graphics but a single will get you high with good frame rate with some tweaking.

Successor is apparently due out early next year.

ineed2upgrade · 13 Dec 2007 at 12:48

so crysis uses sli then?

paradigm · 13 Dec 2007 at 13:10

Yes, crysis can utilize SLi, but not Crossfire (yet).

Scougar · 13 Dec 2007 at 13:27

Very surprised ati hasn't got the driver working yet for Crysis (but hey, Nvidia were involved in the development lol)

I don't think any current gfx card will run crysis "well" at 1920 as
yet on decent settings. Any card you get will pretty much be a 'until next gen' card.

Matthew

ebilcake · 13 Dec 2007 at 13:50

With current hardware the best you will get 1920*1200 is high, with medium shaders, no hardware available will make very high playable at that resolution, including tri sli.

It wouldn't supprise me even if the next gen cards struggle with crysis but at least then we will see it for the poorly coded piece of crap it really is.

ssmacc · 13 Dec 2007 at 14:15

Scougar said:
Very surprised ati hasn't got the driver working yet for Crysis (but hey, Nvidia were involved in the development lol)

I don't think any current gfx card will run crysis "well" at 1920 as
yet on decent settings. Any card you get will pretty much be a 'until next gen' card.

Matthew

the first half is playable with the above settings. starts to struggle later on...(old GTS 640 - hopefully the new GTS in the post will play the second half with the settings above!)

Xenoxide · 13 Dec 2007 at 14:40

There's a guy on YouTube who's done a benchmark of Crysis on his 30inch display with two 8800 Ultra's in SLi. See here.

It seems playable at Very High upto 1920x1200, but it drops quite a bit at the 2560x1600. I see no reason why tri-SLi wouldn't be able to bring it back upto playable.

I think a GTX would do you fine personally, maybe not on Very High but near enough...

Random Guy · 13 Dec 2007 at 14:43

ineed2upgrade said:
what would be a good card for playable frame rates on a 24" lcd when playing crysis?
would a 8800gtx be sufficient or would an ultra be more preferable or even an overclocked card?

when's the 8800 successor due out?

IMO, no graphics card can do justice to Crysis at the moment. I have a GTX and have decided to not buy the game until a mainstream card can play it at max settings. So I am screwed for another 1.5 years? Maybe, but at least I can play the game as it was intended, rather than salivate at triple-SLI benchmarks and try and justify a stupid amount of money as an expenditure to play one game.

MumboJumbo · 13 Dec 2007 at 14:46

Im sure the 9800GTX will play it fine. All it needs is moer powerful shader clocks and a bigger badwidth and it will be able to deal with crysis. Perhaps some more memory as on just high it will use 630mb at 1900x1200

Dutch Guy · 13 Dec 2007 at 15:01

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/?article_id=624620&page=4

triple 8800Ultra's in SLI only get 37.9fps average at 1920*1200 Very high and that is without AA/AF :eek:

ebilcake · 13 Dec 2007 at 15:02

8igdave said:
Im sure the 9800GTX will play it fine. All it needs is moer powerful shader clocks and a bigger badwidth and it will be able to deal with crysis. Perhaps some more memory as on just high it will use 630mb at 1900x1200

I doubt it, even three 8800 Ultras with tri sli are struggling with the minimum framerate much lower then most would accept, so 9800GTX will need to be around 4x faster then a 8800Ultra and that I doubt very much.

MumboJumbo · 13 Dec 2007 at 15:26

Tri isn't 3x the power of a single card. If the 9800GTX was twice the power of the 8800 GTX it wil beat tri sli 8800GTX. I doubt tri sli will even be very well supported in any games.

:EDIT:

The main thing holding all these card back right now is bandwidth and shader speed it seems in this game. If the 9800GTX had twice the bandwidth that would never be bandwidth limited in crysis. Which would mean that adding full AA would only be held back by the memory and the clock speed. The clock speed can be overclocked and im sure nvidia could easly make cards clocked faster then the current 8800s. The GTS has good clock speeds on it but smaller bandwidth then the GTX.

:EDIT2:

looking at the link above your getting about 40-50% increase each time. Not really worth it as bandwidth and memory will also hold back the 8800ultras no matter how many you have.

ebilcake · 13 Dec 2007 at 16:36

Never said Tri SLI was three time as fast, note the performance of a single 8800Ultra, 4fps minimum, even a 400% increase would not be playable, so I think I'll stand by the 9800GTX or whatever it's called needing around a 4x performance advantage at the least to make a real difference in crysis.

Can't say i've ever seen a new generation that is that much faster.

MumboJumbo · 13 Dec 2007 at 16:45

The performance difference from a 1900XT to a 8800GTX is huge. The 9800GTX could do the same again as the 8800GTX was the first dx10 card.

Your comparing stacking up the same card with a whole new card.

3x8800 ultra will still suffer from a 756mb memory, 384bit interface etc. A 9800GTX may have 1gb of memory and a 512bit interface. This would really open the doors for the 9800GTX.

The clock speeds can easly be increased all nvidia have to do is give it some more volts and cool it a bit better and they can clock it really well. This would really improve performances with shaders being clocked a lot higher will help crysis no end.

Tri sli and next gen really isn't comparable.

ebilcake · 13 Dec 2007 at 16:54

8igdave said:
The performance difference from a 1900XT to a 8800GTX is huge. The 9800GTX could do the same again as the 8800GTX was the first dx10 card..

If you compare to some new games now, maybe, but on the launch the 8800GTX was at best 2x faster and thats fairly typcial if look back at previous cards, if the 9800GTX is only twice as fast as a 8800Ultra crysis will remain unplayable at very high settings, regardless of what you think is limiting it's performance.

MumboJumbo · 13 Dec 2007 at 16:55

forget it. You clearly dont read what i put.You think taht it will simply times the fps of the ULTRA by 2 but it wont but you dont listern to what i say so carry on believing what you want. We shall see when they come out.

The 8800GTX is twice the power of the 1900XT. Why dont you check the fps difference between the two in crysis.

ebilcake · 13 Dec 2007 at 17:05

8igdave said:
forget it. You clearly dont read what i put.You think taht it will simply times the fps of the ULTRA by 2 but it wont but you dont listern to what i say so carry on believing what you want. We shall see when they come out.

lol, you usually like this when people disagree with you?

MumboJumbo · 13 Dec 2007 at 17:09

But your not actually reading what im saying. Im trying to explain why it wont nessarly just double the fps and you just keep dissregarding it.

Like i said try find a benchmark with 1900XT vs 8800GTX in crysis and thats twice the power. See the difference, although the memory interface isn't as bigger jump or the memory if the 9800GTX does increase the memory.

May not though. If they just increase clocks then ill agree with you and it probably will be unplayerble, but increasing just clocks wont make it twice as powerful. To do so would require increases in bandwith, memory and clocks to boot. that would lead to a big increase in performance in crysis. Do you not agree?

ebilcake · 13 Dec 2007 at 17:18

8igdave said:
But your not actually reading what im saying. Im trying to explain why it wont nessarly just double the fps and you just keep dissregarding it.

Like i said try find a benchmark with 1900XT vs 8800GTX in crysis and thats twice the power. See the difference.

But I am reading what you’re saying, your not reading I’m saying, I replied to you saying yes there is a huge gap in the latest games but not so big when the 8800GTX was launched back in november, in fact on launch it was around twice as fast as the 7900GTX in games, not quite twice as fast as the 1900XTX but close.

But that was my point from my previous post, if the 9800GTX follows this pattern and can only provide twice the performance of a 8800Ultra then crysis will remain unplayable at very high settings.

But yes, lets wait and see.