GT86/GR86/BRZ

Steeps said:
Making a challenge on the "relax" warranty is going down well. The pressure sensor valve has gone on the AC high pressure line causing a leak, but because it's in the middle of a "pipe" they're refusing to cover it, even though the warranty only excludes rubber pipes by name, this one is metal. Rest of the system is covered but that specific part they want £600ish to repair, after trying to charge 1k for a condenser which would have been covered, but "relax" was brought out 1 week after my service and wasn't activated.

This is after they forgot to activate the warranty last year because the service was done as a FOC service for the damage the dealer did to my car at the previous warranty repair and had to compensate for those issues.

I'm relieved I made the decision to cancel my GR86 order as the dealer network around here seems to be getting worse, not better.
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Regarding the AC condenser, they also tried charging me over 1k to get it replaced.
Decided to get the part myself and went to a specialist to get it installed instead.
In total I've spent about 300 quid for the condenser, the labour and then de-gassed and regassed at Toyota, since none of the specialist stock the fancy gas.
 
Negotiated that one down to £100 to cover "dealer costs", but if there's been an issue with the switch all this time it could have failed because the rest of the system might not have been running at the right tolerance. The compressor is sitting in a pool of UV dye but they don't seem concerned about that. Seems convenient they've found a catastrophic leak on the high pressure line which wasn't detected with a pressure test on the one part not covered under warranty, in the photos they originally refused to take it looks freshly painted on when it's been completely out of gas for over 2 weeks.

I don't understand how they can write a report detailing an issue with a car and have no photographic evidence to support their case.
 
Steeps said:
Negotiated that one down to £100 to cover "dealer costs", but if there's been an issue with the switch all this time it could have failed because the rest of the system might not have been running at the right tolerance. The compressor is sitting in a pool of UV dye but they don't seem concerned about that. Seems convenient they've found a catastrophic leak on the high pressure line which wasn't detected with a pressure test on the one part not covered under warranty, in the photos they originally refused to take it looks freshly painted on when it's been completely out of gas for over 2 weeks.

I don't understand how they can write a report detailing an issue with a car and have no photographic evidence to support their case.
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They probably banked on you not questioning them, since most "ordinary" owners that would just use their cars to get to A to B would just believe and trust the dealers/garage know what they are saying is correct.
Kinda like last year when I asked them if I could have a printed copy of the quote for the Condenser, they wouldn't really give me their quoted work.
If they told me it was 1k for the Condenser with all the piping then maybe I can sort of accept it to be that much, but because they only said the "condenser" which in my head it shouldn't be that expensive in comparison to like a radiator or something.
 
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Managed to get a test drive today. Car is really nice. Missus needed convincing on getting kids in the back seats but she came around in the end.

The way it picks up speed is really quite good. I think it is because it has been a while since I have driven something N/A with a bit of power. I think I have just gotten used to turbo power delivery. Chassis is sublime although didn't have much time to really push it. I also love how everything is functional both interior and exterior. All the intakes actually do something and are not fake. Everything wrong with the old one has been fixed with this new model and if I do decide to turbo charge in the future it would be quite the beast.

I am also very happy how well it does around town and normal driving which was ideally what we wanted as a car that we can use for commuting and daily trips to places. I think that is very difficult thing for a manufacture to achieve but Toyota have pulled it out of the bag.

Clutch is definitely a bit of an oddity however but by the end of the test drive I think I have got it mastered. I think it is mainly due to adjustment as the clutch felt like it had a very high bite point on the car I drove.

Picture in a lovely layby that stinks of ****.

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Glad to see you liked it. The clutch weirdness is almost entirely down to an overly strong assist spring mounted to the pedal. There's a thread on the GR Zoo forums (I think I've seen you post over there too?), if you don't mind doing a bit of yoga in the footwell, it can be changed to a weaker spring, which makes it hugely better in my opinion, especially around town. When does your arrive, do you know?
 
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Conscript said:
Glad to see you liked it. The clutch weirdness is almost entirely down to an overly strong assist spring mounted to the pedal. There's a thread on the GR Zoo forums (I think I've seen you post over there too?), if you don't mind doing a bit of yoga in the footwell, it can be changed to a weaker spring, which makes it hugely better in my opinion, especially around town. When does your arrive, do you know?
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Mid September is the date Toyota gave me when they rang me up.

It was more the bite point that was odd for me as it was really high but it is easily adjusted. In fact exactly the same as my old Celica. Spookily familiar considering the near 30 year difference between them!
 
adam cool dude said:
Mid September is the date Toyota gave me when they rang me up.

It was more the bite point that was odd for me as it was really high but it is easily adjusted. In fact exactly the same as my old Celica. Spookily familiar considering the near 30 year difference between them!
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Yup, just rotate the rod connecting the pedal through the firewall to the master cylinder.
Just my two pence, but I think changing the spring actually makes the bigger difference. It was the same with the GT, I spent ages fiddling with the master cylinder rod trying to adjust the clutch pedal height; but after swapping the pedal spring to a lighter MTEC one, I never thought about it anymore. The clutch pedal became much more linear in effort all the way through it's stroke and the bite point much more natural and easier to judge. YMMV, but something to bear in mind.
 
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Toyota have "kindly offered" to replace the high pressure section of the air conditioning between the condenser and the expansion valve (can't call it a pipe, all pipes are not covered under warranty, unless it's fuel or brake line, but only rubber ones), might be something to do with being completely let down by the garage and their communication, but not the threat of reporting me to the police for the theft of a hire car.

Let's see how they describe the dead battery now it's been sitting on their forecourt for 2 weeks.
 
adam cool dude said:
Managed to get a test drive today. Car is really nice. Missus needed convincing on getting kids in the back seats but she came around in the end.

The way it picks up speed is really quite good. I think it is because it has been a while since I have driven something N/A with a bit of power. I think I have just gotten used to turbo power delivery. Chassis is sublime although didn't have much time to really push it. I also love how everything is functional both interior and exterior. All the intakes actually do something and are not fake. Everything wrong with the old one has been fixed with this new model and if I do decide to turbo charge in the future it would be quite the beast.

I am also very happy how well it does around town and normal driving which was ideally what we wanted as a car that we can use for commuting and daily trips to places. I think that is very difficult thing for a manufacture to achieve but Toyota have pulled it out of the bag.

Clutch is definitely a bit of an oddity however but by the end of the test drive I think I have got it mastered. I think it is mainly due to adjustment as the clutch felt like it had a very high bite point on the car I drove.

Picture in a lovely layby that stinks of ****.

EKJjjuS.jpg
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Glad you liked it, I've got used to the clutch now at lower speeds. Quick gear changes at speed is superb.
 
Misha has recently crashed a new GR86 on the Nurburgring.

Understeered into the barrier.

Seems they may be more as to what caused it, previous laps he achieved higher speed through the same corner with no issues.
 
Gilbert89 said:
Misha has recently crashed a new GR86 on the Nurburgring.

Understeered into the barrier.

Seems they may be more as to what caused it, previous laps he achieved higher speed through the same corner with no issues.
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Literally just watched that video. Someone in the comments pointed out there's a clonking sound as he gets onto the brakes into the corner, so something might have failed.
 
Gilbert89 said:
Misha has recently crashed a new GR86 on the Nurburgring.

Understeered into the barrier.

Seems they may be more as to what caused it, previous laps he achieved higher speed through the same corner with no issues.
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That guy has crashed more times than Pastor Maldonado. He is a Youtuber and not a professional driver. He comes across quite reckless in some of his videos and it is of no surprise he has crashed whilst chasing another car. He always blames something else instead of his own driving ability. I used to follow him in his early days as it was interesting but his ego has got the better of him in the past year and unsubbed about that time too.
 
Conscript said:
Literally just watched that video. Someone in the comments pointed out there's a clonking sound as he gets onto the brakes into the corner, so something might have failed.
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Yeah - It will be interesting to see if anything mechanical contributed to the crash.

It appears to be Modified underneath, perhaps a bad install of something or just a failure as they’re was quite a bang during the sudden elevation change.

adam cool dude said:
That guy has crashed more times than Pastor Maldonado. He is a Youtuber and not a professional driver. He comes across quite reckless in some of his videos and it is of no surprise he has crashed whilst chasing another car. He always blames something else instead of his own driving ability. I used to follow him in his early days as it was interesting but his ego has got the better of him in the past year and unsubbed about that time too.
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Somewhat agree with you, he does seem to push on harder and harder these days despite it being busy and full of traffic.

But regardless of his occupation in black and white, he’s pretty much a progressional of driving the Nurburgring.

It seems a strange one and I’ll stay tuned to see if any other factor contributed to the crash, interested to know.
 
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Conscript said:
Yup, just rotate the rod connecting the pedal through the firewall to the master cylinder.
Just my two pence, but I think changing the spring actually makes the bigger difference. It was the same with the GT, I spent ages fiddling with the master cylinder rod trying to adjust the clutch pedal height; but after swapping the pedal spring to a lighter MTEC one, I never thought about it anymore. The clutch pedal became much more linear in effort all the way through it's stroke and the bite point much more natural and easier to judge. YMMV, but something to bear in mind.
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@adam cool dude remember when I said you might not need to adjust the pedal height if you change the spring? Yeah, forget that :p

Lighter clutch spring definitely helps the most, but you are right, the pedal is still a bit high. Still found timing my shifts a bit tricky sometimes, and even with my seat right back it felt like I was having to lift my leg unnaturally high to come off the pedal fully. Got into the footwell today and found it sits a good 15-20mm higher than the brake. I have the adjustment rod one full turn and brought it down a smidge. Immediate improvement, just like it was with the previous car. When you get yours, definitely well worth a tweak.
 
Conscript said:
@adam cool dude remember when I said you might not need to adjust the pedal height if you change the spring? Yeah, forget that :p

Lighter clutch spring definitely helps the most, but you are right, the pedal is still a bit high. Still found timing my shifts a bit tricky sometimes, and even with my seat right back it felt like I was having to lift my leg unnaturally high to come off the pedal fully. Got into the footwell today and found it sits a good 15-20mm higher than the brake. I have the adjustment rod one full turn and brought it down a smidge. Immediate improvement, just like it was with the previous car. When you get yours, definitely well worth a tweak.
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It is exactly the same system as implemented in my GT-Four and was one of the first things that I do on all my cars. Even back on cars that I had with cable clutches (Which were a lot easier to adjust). The Suzuki I have just sold I had to readjust the bite point for the buyer as he kept grinding the gears as the bite point was basically on the floor. :P

I said this to the missus when we test drove back in July and she was a bit angry as to why I would need to adjust things on a brand new car but explained it is better that I did it than try to explain to a dealer sales rep or fitter as they wouldn't have a clue :P.
 
adam cool dude said:
It is exactly the same system as implemented in my GT-Four and was one of the first things that I do on all my cars. Even back on cars that I had with cable clutches (Which were a lot easier to adjust). The Suzuki I have just sold I had to readjust the bite point for the buyer as he kept grinding the gears as the bite point was basically on the floor. :p

I said this to the missus when we test drove back in July and she was a bit angry as to why I would need to adjust things on a brand new car but explained it is better that I did it than try to explain to a dealer sales rep or fitter as they wouldn't have a clue :p.
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Yup, same in the GT86 too. It was a bit tricky to measure, but I found that the clutch pedal was sitting perhaps 15-20mm higher than the brake pedal, which seemed excessive to me. I'm not massively tall (5' 11" I think), nor do I have long legs, but even with my seat right back, I still felt like I was crowding the clutch pedal sometimes.
 
Have I mentioned I had an 86. Best car I've owned. It put up with some grief.
I lightly modified it. I changed the silver interior trim with the OE black, TEIN coilovers, Valenti rear lights, Focal front speakers, front armrest and a non res Milltek exhaust. Probably something else that I'm forgetting.
 
Conscript said:
Yup, same in the GT86 too. It was a bit tricky to measure, but I found that the clutch pedal was sitting perhaps 15-20mm higher than the brake pedal, which seemed excessive to me. I'm not massively tall (5' 11" I think), nor do I have long legs, but even with my seat right back, I still felt like I was crowding the clutch pedal sometimes.
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This is the way to do it on a GT-Four.


I think it will be a while before a GR86 workshop manual becomes available but I have got a GT86 one and even on that it seems very vague of clutch adjustment. I guess back in the day you had actual mechanics whereas now they are all basically fitters so they make it simple for them to read :p.

In the end nothing beats doing it yourself through trial and error until you get the best feel for yourself :)

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Did the adjustment this morning and it is absolutely miles better. I noticed the LHD drive tutorials are a lot easier than the RHD ones as you have much more space. Hopefully the first and last time as whilst it is easy in theory sitting on your back with blood rushing to your head gets dizzy rather quickly!
 
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