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Shocky-FM said:
It's hard to get excited over dual gpu cards, i'm sure it will benchmark and fold really well, I'm sure it will even run a few games allot better then a single GPU, but it's dual gpu so I don't really care.
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At least until dual GPU setups have a guaranteed 50-100% performance boost over single, just an expensive lucky dip atm.
 
lunarwolf said:
well 4870x2 is better than 4870 by a fair amount :), tons of game tests by reputable sites have been done on this
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Depends what games no? I've defiantly seen 4870x2 in crossfire perform worse than a single 4870x2. How ****ed off would you be if you blew your cash on two of them and that happened:eek:

If you got the balls to take the risk and have the cash, dual GPU graphics cars can be potentially great. Me being the 'poorer' student would personally go for a sound single GPU graphics card.
 
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?? i am comparing the gain from one 4870x2 (not 2x4870) and one 4870, so not sure you understand my initial point ;)

ps obviously when comparing a 4870x2 you need to look at high res 1900x1200+ since no point in getting a 4870x2 to play at 1280x1024
 
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Yeah, i get your initial point. Even if crossfire isn't taken full advantage of, you atleast still have the same as a 1GB 4870 in there. But scalabilty isn't always as good as you'd imagine. Ideally, two GPUs should equal 100% increase, which pretty much never happens.
 
true that, but at least i know i still got some juice under the hood as drivers mature :) and people like rockstar stop pretending to make games for PCs ;)
 
I would think and hope almost all who go for sli/cf know about their limitations and take that into account when buying so really it is mute if performance is lacking in certain games as i would think they know that it can be hit or miss.
 
lunarwolf said:
i don't understand the logic, you get 4870x2 coz cant be hasstled by crossfire - I can relate I have a 4870x2, plus i can alwasy add a second if i wish :)
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Its cheaper and the 1gb weren't out, the being less hassle than two cards was simply a bonus at that point, nothing more, not a deciding factor. It was cheaper than 2 4870 512's, not a hard choice.

THe point was it was there when I decided to buy, the dual nvidia card isn't available and the 216 260gtx IS available and two of them aren't going to be beaten by the new version, considering new cards from both companies are probably due april/may time the sooner you buy a card the longer you'll get out of it frankly.

I'd also expect prices upwards of £500, maybe closer to £600, to price people out of buying so the 8 cards they release in Europe will satisfy the muppets who want to buy it, just like previous cards.

All indications, both from Nvidia roadmaps from them, and their statements on the 55nm cards said it was due months and months ago, all industry talk is that their silicon taped out months ago but was crap, and hotter than 65nm, so a respin was required, and again. Apparently its on the third respin and at the moment all it offers is marginally smaller die size, same power, same heat, same clocks. The dual card is likely to be lower clocked on the cores and ATi were so heavily involved in the design/production and funding of GDDR5 developement I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia still can't get their hands on any so no real improvements at all.

While the die size is marginally smaller, yields on newer processes are simply always worse at first, so in all likelyhood its not even cheaper per core yet till they can get yields higher. Theres also talk of paper launch release to get the freaking thing out, but another respin being done before they start producing it in large volumes which wouldn't be surprising.


So is there any reason to wait for an most likely heavily heavily pumped up price card that can't outperform cards out now? no. Sorry but this is generally the way it works, ATi had no luck with 65nm , it took a long time to get going, after a massive delay it didn't have a fantastic time, after several respins and no good news out of Nvidia the chances of a successful massively better part on any front are almost non existant, otherwise, it would have been out ages ago and Nvidia would be talking it up more to try to delay peoples decision to buy ATi and adopt the wait and see policy. The lack of that tactic from Nvidia makes me think even they know its not worth the wait and they didn't know how long it would be, both very bad signs.
 
Expensive then what wasn't bring it on roll on the future, otherwise just don't buy it roll on the future :)
 
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queamin said:
I would think and hope almost all who go for sli/cf know about their limitations and take that into account when buying so really it is mute if performance is lacking in certain games as i would think they know that it can be hit or miss.
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True that, end of the day it depends what games you play. and i play mainly Steam games which CF + SLi take good advantage of.
 
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