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GTX 595 at CES

Cleeecooo said:
But would two 560s beat a 5970?
Or even two 6970s which the 6990 could be?
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Depending the game dual GTX460's overclocked to around 800-850 can best a HD5970 but it all comes down to driver support (the 460's scale better thus making up the single GPU performance deficit).

A GTX560 based dual GPU card *should* be faster than a HD5970 (thanks again to better scaling) but it would depend heavily on drivers, the game itself and whether the GPU's can run at full speed or not.
 
When it comes to dual gpu's this is one area ATI have the upper hand over Nvidia.

Their chips are smaller, more efficent with power and generate less heat.

This hypothetically allows ATI to put 2 chips on one pcb which are of a higher class or higher speeds than any two Nvidia chips, simply down to efficiency.

Why do you think the 500 series from Nvidia is all about trying to narrow the efficiency gap.

Nvidia must be pulling their hair out, trying to take the performance crown back from ATI.

But they will only manage this once Fermi or another architecture improves on efficiency!

I mean they STILL have not answered the 5970! This is probably the reason why ATI have not brought out another dual chip gpu.

No competition yet.
 
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So basically amd is waiting for nvifia to release dual chip. And nvidia is waiting for amd? But if nvidia put two 580s on the card and ship it with water block it would be a killer card. Doubt that will happen tho. Amd dont really have anything that could beat nvidias 580 they can only equalise the 570
 
This looks like a novelty card to me (like the Asus Mars and Ares edition cards) and not anything official for Nvidia so I wouldn't get to excited over this as supplies will be limited and prices will be ridiculous. The give away that it's a novelty card is the HSF is nothing like the reference design and the 2x 8-pins breaks the ATX spec for PCI-E video cards which neither Nvidia or AMD would do with stock models.
 
Freddie1980 said:
This looks like a novelty card to me (like the Asus Mars and Ares edition cards) and not anything official for Nvidia so I wouldn't get to excited over this as supplies will be limited and prices will be ridiculous. The give away that it's a novelty card is the HSF is nothing like the reference design and the 2x 8-pins breaks the ATX spec for PCI-E video cards which neither Nvidia or AMD would do with stock models.
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Where does it break the PCI-e spec?
 
What limit? people keep banding around a 300watt limit but I've never seen any hard limit for the overall card stated in the PCI-e spec.
 
Rroff said:
What limit? people keep banding around a 300watt limit but I've never seen any hard limit for the overall card stated in the PCI-e spec.
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You say this a lot, and forget the many replies you get in response to it. The responses are usually along the lines of manufacturers don't want to make things that suck over 300w out of the box.
 
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I've never had a proper reply to it.

I've never seen any mention in either the ATX or PCI-e specifications of any overall hard limits placed for ratification (PCI-e used to have a 150watt spec but thats old) - both have advisories manufacturers should show compliance with in regards to overall electromechanical/thermal properties if they want ratification but I've never seen any hard limits in any of these. The pci-e spec does have limits for the amount you can draw from the standard connectors but does not have any rules on the configuration or combinations of these connectors.
 
kylew said:
You say this a lot, and forget the many replies you get in response to it. The responses are usually along the lines of manufacturers don't want to make things that suck over 300w out of the box.
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I don't see what's wrong with that. enthusiast cards should consume a lot of power - then what's the point of 1KW+ PSU's (for a single card i mean)
 
Cleeecooo said:
I don't see what's wrong with that. enthusiast cards should consume a lot of power - then what's the point of 1KW+ PSU's (for a single card i mean)
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I'm not complaining, but there's definitely a reluctance of manufacturers to release graphics cards that consume more than 300w.
 
Cleeecooo said:
I don't see what's wrong with that. enthusiast cards should consume a lot of power - then what's the point of 1KW+ PSU's (for a single card i mean)
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Its all down to liability. Everyone apart from Nvidia are working to within a set tolerance. The problem is the rest of the PC industry are building components to deal with sub 300 watt spec's.
 
Cleeecooo said:
Im basing. That on the fact that the 570 is slightly better/equal to a 6970. The 6990 may be two 6950s and the 570 is faster so im placing high hopes in the nv dual gpu card. Although i really want amd to bring something awesome out.
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Single chip cards they are about the same on average, crossfire and SLI the 6970's scale better and beat 570's the majority of the time from what i've seen.
The majority of people who would buy dual chip cards would fall into the high resolution/multi-monitor consumer bracket and that is where AMD really pulls ahead.

You need an SLI setup for 3+ monitor rigs, not sure if a dual chip non-reference design Nvidia based card would be any different.

To me, its shaping to be at worst (460/560 chips) a card that makes no sense and slots into a crowded market and at best (570 chips) its an alternative to people who want nearer 6990 performance without an AMD badge.
Being a very limited production run would also be a good bet if it ever gets to the public.
 
Wow i do like the custom design of this card would look nice in my black case, its all good having card like this. When is going to be released and the other question would be will overclockers be stocking it when it hits the european market.

Also am i met to believe you can run three monitors of that card at once?? i do see three ports at the back
 
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Apparently you can run 3 monitor off it. I am really hoping the nvidia dual chip will have an ok price as nvidia 3d is probably better atm. Also the 6970 may scale very well but two 580s would beat them. Im not saying its going to happen. Its going to be tight but i think well have to wait and see as nvudia could surprise us like they did with the 580
 
darkwildchild79 said:
Wow i do like the custom design of this card would look nice in my black case, its all good having card like this. When is going to be released and the other question would be will overclockers be stocking it when it hits the european market.

Also am i met to believe you can run three monitors of that card at once?? i do see three ports at the back
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Meh, first of all don't just assume it will reach the European Market and second don't assume it will ever see the light of day besides a few demo models like this one (for all we know this is just a GTX580 PCB with 2 8-pins and custom cooler on top). We had all this fun and games a few months ago when some one posted a thread that stating Asus were doing a Mars 2 based on two GTX480 cores but I think we can all safely assume that was quickly knocked on the head we have had other threads claiming there was going to be a GTX495 based on 2 GTX460 cores which again proved to be wrong.

Unless Nvidia have a stand at one of these shows with an actual working model of a real GTX595 then you may start jumping up and down and we can all celebrate that AMD with have competition at the ultra high end.
 
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