GTX 680 or 7970?

[tommybhoy]

I understand that, but what i mean is that large a price difference must hurt sales to some degree

The 7970 was outselling the 680 globaly at Christmas time, the first time since the 6 series released(whether it still is, idk), Nvidia's answer to that was to introduce the f2p cash vouchers.

Whether it's making any kind of impact on Nvida sales, only Nvidia will know.

 

[Rusty0611]

I understand that, but what i mean is that large a price difference must hurt sales to some degree, it was about £25-30 more for nvidia when i got mine, not 100, and ati's driver updates have shrunk the performance gap slightly since then

Depends on how many you're selling. The point is more that if they aren't dropping prices, they must be happy with the sales performance overall.

 

[andybird123]

Depends on how many you're selling. The point is more that if they aren't dropping prices, they must be happy with the sales performance overall.

this ^

the fact they aren't indicates that they are selling well enough that they don't feel the need to do that

you only have to look at total market share and end of year results to realise why nvidia aren't feeling the need to do big discounts and game giveaways to drive unit sales

AMD may be outselling nvidia in the upper segments of the GPU market, but at what cost

 

[MaximusV]

I've tried both, well a 7970 ghz vs 680 to be precise, both overclocked a good way and for me the 7970 has the upper hand in most games, it changed my experience in Planetside 2, it doesn't dip nowhere near as low in big fights as my 680 did. It comes down to what games you play really, if you're playing a lot of physx stuff then obviously you're gonna want the 680. Saying that though you don't know how the newer titles yet to be released will perform so I'd just go with the one which offers better performance per pound and I'm pretty sure you can guess which one of the two that is.

 

[LtMatt]

I've tried both, well a 7970 ghz vs 680 to be precise, both overclocked a good way and for me the 7970 has the upper hand in most games, it changed my experience in Planetside 2, it doesn't dip nowhere near as low in big fights as my 680 did. It comes down to what games you play really, if you're playing a lot of physx stuff then obviously you're gonna want the 680. Saying that though you don't know how the newer titles yet to be released will perform so I'd just go with the one which offers better performance per pound and I'm pretty sure you can guess which one of the two that is.

There is no doubt the 7970ghz is faster, cheaper and comes with better games. Also considering most games these days are gaming evolved titles using compute based effects that is something a 680 will never be able to compete with.

 

[MaximusV]

There is no doubt the 7970ghz is faster, cheaper and comes with better games. Also considering most games these days are gaming evolved titles using compute based effects that is something a 680 will never be able to complete with.

I was skeptical at first with people saying amd cards weren't as smooth, seems absolute nonsense to me, if anything the 7970 feels smoother. Also ended up getting all these free Bioshock Infinite, Crysis 3, Tomb Raider, the new aliens game, far cry 3, shogun total war 2, sleeping dogs, hitman absolution and dirt showdown (didn't order from here).

 

[LtMatt]

I was skeptical at first with people saying amd cards weren't as smooth, seems absolute nonsense to me, if anything the 7970 feels smoother. Also ended up getting all these free Bioshock Infinite, Crysis 3, Tomb Raider, the new aliens game, far cry 3, shogun total war 2, sleeping dogs, hitman absolution and dirt showdown (didn't order from here).

Sometimes you just have to ignore the Guff.

There might be an issue with xfire smoothness in a couple of titles as highlighted by the recent frame time reviews but 7970ghz single card performance and smoothness is top notch and can only be beaten by a titan.

 

[Gregster]

There is no doubt the 7970ghz is faster, cheaper and comes with better games. Also considering most games these days are gaming evolved titles using compute based effects that is something a 680 will never be able to complete with.

Sometimes you just have to ignore the Guff.

There might be an issue with xfire smoothness in a couple of titles as highlighted by the recent frame time reviews but 7970ghz single card performance and smoothness is top notch and can only be beaten by a titan.

It may pay to preach what you practice Matt. Whilst I don't argue that a SINGLE 7950/7970 is good value, your statement isn't true by any means.

 

[MOOGLEYS]

I find the 680 considerably smoother than my 7970. Sold my Titan as tbh a 680 is more than enough at 1440p.

 

[opethdisciple]

It may pay to preach what you practice Matt. Whilst I don't argue that a SINGLE 7950/7970 is good value, your statement isn't true by any means.

I've always been of the assumption that the 670 is more powerful than the 7950, but people seem to like to perpetuate the information (misinformation) that drivers advancements that AMD have made have levelled the playing field between the 670 and the 7950, which from what I have seen isn’t the case.

 

[tommybhoy]

It may pay to preach what you practice Matt. Whilst I don't argue that a SINGLE 7950/7970 is good value, your statement isn't true by any means.

Matt's spot on greg.

I thought we were at the stage that it was common knowledge the 7970GHz is faster across the board on average?

It isn't a country mile or anything but it's just in front.

[H] is sponsered by Galaxy so it's about the last place you want to use for comparison.

You have been posting tpu comparisons lately, here's one of the latest:

It's not a throw this number up and I'll counter to and fro from me either gregg, just saying buddy.

 

[Gregster]

I've always been of the assumption that the 670 is more powerful than the 7950, but people seem to like to perpetuate the information (misinformation) that drivers advancements that AMD have made have levelled the playing field between the 670 and the 7950, which from what I have seen isn’t the case.

Agreed.

Time and time again you read about AMD drivers bringing this and that performance to this and that game and shun anything that Nvidia bring to the driver improvements.

Some people are so blinded by bias, they won't even entertain reason and will stick their head in the sand rather than accept that the opposite GPU manufacturer is also making good grounds with drivers.

 

[MOOGLEYS]

Here we go again.

 

[andybird123]

couple of titles!? every graph looks like this;

I don't need to link more because they are all as bad as this

 

[MaximusV]

Ah good old selective copy and paste benchmark images from biased review sites.

Laughed at that last line gregster, you're about as biased towards nvidia as they come.

 

[Gregster]

Matt's spot on greg.

I thought we were at the stage that it was common knowledge the 7970GHz is faster across the board on average?

It isn't a country mile or anything but it's just in front.

[H] is sponsered by Galaxy so it's about the last place you want to use for comparison.

You have been posting tpu comparisons lately, here's one of the latest:

Not sure why you are confused Tommy? I thought HardOCP was a respected site and they bench with the latest drivers and you have used them on many occasions. I also am pointing out that Matt's statement is misinformation because those two titles I show are 'AMD gaming evolved' titles and clearly this doesn't make AMD faster and direct compute better.

I sit back and read this "Guff" and scratch my head at times with the one sided blindness.

 

[Rusty0611]

I've always been of the assumption that the 670 is more powerful than the 7950, but people seem to like to perpetuate the information (misinformation) that drivers advancements that AMD have made have levelled the playing field between the 670 and the 7950, which from what I have seen isn’t the case.

They are level actually when both are clocked up and indeed the 7950 is a touch faster on average. For somebody not that interested in overclocking I would agree that the 670 is better (and faster).

I've benched 680s and 7950s so not exactly bias either.

Matt's spot on greg.

I thought we were at the stage that it was common knowledge the 7970GHz is faster across the board on average?

It isn't a country mile or anything but it's just in front.

[H] is sponsered by Galaxy so it's about the last place you want to use for comparison.

LOL I love this. I'm sure [H] were the review site of choice not that long ago when it showed an OC'd 7950 matching an OC'd 670 pre 12.11 and now... it's bias and its results can't be trusted (apparently). Come on now don't be daft...

I'm not too interested in the nuances of whether they are bias or not but you can't just pick and choose when you want to declare them bias when it suits you.

Chuckle.

 

[Gregster]

Ah good old selective copy and paste benchmark images from biased review sites.

Laughed at that last line gregster, you're about as biased towards nvidia as they come.

Yes, yes, this is why I only recommend Nvidia cards.

 

[MOOGLEYS]

One thing I have picked up from having a good play with both is that a faster card does not equal a smoother gaming experience. For me the 7970 is a faster card in just about everything I have tried but it does not give as smooth a gaming experience as the 680 which on paper is a slower card.

Nvidia cards do not offer good value for money and if buying now AMD is the way to go as nothing comes close to the value of a 7950. But if you are wanting the best all round gaming experience then a 680 is the way to go. I have not played with 670's so cannot comment on how they compare to a 680.

 

[LtMatt]

HardOCP results are so inaccurate its not even funny. Can't believe anyone takes their results seriously.