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GTX260 to get 24 additional shaders in September

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http://en.expreview.com/2008/08/21/nvidia-will-offer-a-upgraded-gtx-260-in-mid-september/

The GTX260 really does seem to be becoming the better prospect against the 4870. It's now cheaper everywhere thanks to the UK finally catching up with the global market and it's also getting the edge in the most recent GTX260 vs 4870 reviews in performance. Something I find a dubious to say the least.

"As the lower performing card in the GTX 200 deck, the GTX 260 pulls out better performance than the ATI HD 4870 in 21 out of 32 - or roughly 65% - of our benchmarks. It did tie in one, so you could say the tie goes to the runner, and make it 66% for that 2/3 majority." - OverclockersClub (Reviewed on Wed, August 20, 2008)

"The question is “Which one do I buy since both are a great value?” Basing the decision on which video card provides the best gameplay experience in some incredibly demanding games we have to give the nod to the GeForce GTX 260. This is certainly not what we told you previously as now the market has greatly changed at this price point." - [H]ardOCP (Reviewed on Wed, August 20, 2008)


Now i'm not vouching for the above reviews credibility (they were the most recent reviews I could find), i'm just comparing reviews in the past which showed the 4870 had better performance to the reviews now showing the GTX260 has the lead, even in AA. Whether there's a marketing ploy behind it all, we'll unlikely never know. What is clear is that the price is usually the overriding factor when two cards are so close in performance.

Off-topic... who says review sites don't slant a bias towards a card/company and add on a few FPS just to have a justifiable conclusion. There could be many variables behind closed doors that we don't know about. Games do vary on different machines, so adding on a few FPS here and there to make things add up isn't too difficult. The best thing to do is base opinions on credible user experiences alone and take these reviews with a pinch of salt. Just a thought.

But yeah, with PhysX being adopted and the increase of 24 additional shaders being added to better cooling (no need for 3rd party cooling), less power draw and drivers which seem to be having less issues with AA and game profiles; things are looking a lot more green in Q3.
 
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If it had DX10.1 I'd be all over it..... DX10.1 games are on the way and I've been informed that the difference will be tangiable.....

Deals are being done to suppress their release, but others are being done to encourage them...
 
With better and quieter cooling, added shaders (read power) and a die shrink, I'd be tempted to try the 260 instead of the 4870 I have now, complete with lottery drivers.
 
Kaiju I seen you reply time after time in defence of the GTX 260 in the past. I now know you are a fanboy of either the GTX 260 due to purchase justification or just being a fanboy of Nvidia.

Check those tests out again!. Oh such great settings they used. Only in COH:OF did they use 8xAA. Most others it was 2xAA or none at all. CoD4 was only at 4xAA. Sorry, but you show one review showing the GTX 260 in a better light and now that's gospel??. Please. Stop trying to get your point across so desperately. Are you trying to say that all the other reviews are biased and only the Overclockers Club will give a true representation of the cards?????. C'mon, get a grip :p.
 
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Such sweeping statements, dear me. I'm a fanboy? C'mon man, this isn't a popularity contest. I'm simply spreading the love for the GTX260 as I find it was really hounded early on for all the wrong reasons. It's a great card, simple as. Nowt wrong with that. So little love on the forums these days. It's okay though, I understand your pain. :D

As I aforementioned, "Now i'm not vouching for the above reviews credibility (they were the most recent reviews I could find), i'm just comparing reviews in the past which showed the 4870 had better performance to the reviews now showing the GTX260 has the lead, even in AA."
 
lol at the GPU forum, there can never be a situation where both manufacturers have good cards.
One ALWAYS has to be a failure :rolleyes:

Forget the fact that both Nvidia and ATI have great performing cards for the money. One FAILS...
 
Such sweeping statements, dear me. I'm a fanboy? C'mon man, this isn't a popularity contest. I'm simply spreading the love for the GTX260 as I find it was really hounded early on for all the wrong reasons. It's a great card, simple as. Nowt wrong with that. So little love on the forums these days. It's okay though, I understand your pain. :D

As I aforementioned, "Now i'm not vouching for the above reviews credibility (they were the most recent reviews I could find), i'm just comparing reviews in the past which showed the 4870 had better performance to the reviews now showing the GTX260 has the lead, even in AA."

Well, you seem to find the only review that you feel is telling the truth. If you can't vouch for their credibility then that also leaves the people you are trying to spread the love to, a little in the dark. Can you show that all those that show the 4870 in the better light to not have credibility also?. It's like you're saying that all the others are wrong but the few that show the GTX 260 to better are the correct reports which would be insane.

The testing that they performed is not great indication of a powerful card as there is little AA applied from what I see (apart from 8xAA in COH:OF).

The reason that the GTX 260 got hounded at the start was the pricing. I think it's a great product for the price but the 4870 from the reviews I've read shows to be faster in games, especially with 8xAA. Not miles apart but a little bit faster in the games I've seen. If the games I play work better on Nvidia cards then I'd have bought the GTX 260 but from what I've seen. The benefit of going ATI will be the most beneficial to me this time.

I'm just comparing reviews in the past which showed the 4870 had better performance to the reviews now showing the GTX260 has the lead, even in AA."

You linked one review :confused:. Do you want to start linking those that show the 4870 to be faster?.
 
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Read my post again...

"The GTX260 really does seem to be becoming the better prospect against the 4870. It's now cheaper everywhere thanks to the UK finally catching up with the global market and it's also getting the edge in the most recent GTX260 vs 4870 reviews in performance. Something I find dubious to say the least."

I listed the first two (not, one) reviews I could find on the GTX260 (date stamped) as I wanted to show that the latest reviews are showing the GTX260 in a new light due to the price decrease.

My point, again, as you so gracefully missed it was to show review sites are showing the GTX260 as a better card, now that the price is more competitive. I'm not and never said it was a better card based on those reviews, alone. Honestly. As if I even had to explain myself. It seems like you feathered through my post as if it were just another fanboy thread and made up your own conclusions. Poor show.

In surmise, who's to say the reviews you, I, or the next person reads is correct? I never said all the other reviews stating the 4870 as better were wrong. On that basis, I said, "all reviews could have a lack of credibility." I could have added reviews of the 4870 topping the GTX260, but we all know they're about and that wasn't the point I was trying to make.
 
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Right. I apologise for jumping the gun a little but some of my points are valid. The tests in the review you posted were weak. Only one used 8xAA, One used 4xAA and most others were 2xAA or none at all. That to me isn't a fair comparison to what settings people would use when buying these cards (GTX 260/4870).

When I seen this thread after watching you defend the GTX 260 on numerous occasions it was easy to link that and this thread together which made me think you were playing the "love the GTX 260" card. You are trying to change people's opinions about the card which is fair enough as most disregard it too easily for the 4870 and it's not that far apart tbh. I just don't find the review that is posted as showing the GTX 260 in a better light to be a decent review due to settings used.
 
I also get the feeling that when the 4870 was just released reviews showed the 4870 to beat the GTX280 but later reviews showed the GTX cards in a better light, are the newer Nvidia drivers a lot better or did they use favorable review settings towards the GTX cards?

Will this be a 55nm chip as well?

Another point, the memorybus and memorysize remains the same, is that even possible or are the shader not linked to the memory(bus) :confused:
 
I keep thinking of going GTX260, but now I have a crossfire mobo would it not be cheaper for me to just get another 4870 when they go cheaper or even wait untill the next cards come out, get one of them and have it crossfired with a 4870? As even say a 5870 will be able to be crossfired with a 4870 right? And it still will give a performance boost yes?
 
You were looking at a GTX280 before, wait and see the GTX280+ (or whatever it will be called).

1 GPU is better in most cases unless you want a big 30" LCD and then you would want the 1GB cards from both sides anyhow or a 4870X2 2GB (get use of 1GB in real terms).
 
If it had DX10.1 I'd be all over it..... DX10.1 games are on the way and I've been informed that the difference will be tangiable.....

Deals are being done to suppress their release, but others are being done to encourage them...


I was reading that DX11 isn't that far off either.
 
wonder if they will unlock the extra stream processors on the gtx280+ taking the total to 256sp. either way its all good for us since the prices will drop and we can pick up a bargain gfx card soon.
 
wonder if they will unlock the extra stream processors on the gtx280+ taking the total to 256sp. either way its all good for us since the prices will drop and we can pick up a bargain gfx card soon.

theres a difference between disabling less SP's on a card, and plucking new ones out of thin air and adding them to a card. The gtx280 has no more SP's, no more can be added, none are disabled, its already a beast of a core, a new version with more stream processors would be even more ridiculously expensive as yields would decrease further still.

If i was really desparate about getting a cheaper card, a 4850 is where to go, not the gtx 260, very good performance for significantly cheaper. I've yet to see reviews at top levels of aa/resolution where the 260 can repeatedly beat the 4870, its closer to the 4850 with everything turned right up is still no where near competing on price. THe 4870 at top everything is closer to the 280 than the 260.

Nvidia also would not be releasing a 260+ with more SP's enabled if it thought it was the faster card. If they are doing it, its necessary, meaning it is the slower card, Nvidia think so let alone everyone else.

Its also not entirely sure from your OP, if you are saying the 260 is cheaper than the 4870 everywhere, or if the 260 is simply cheaper than it was. Because I can find 3 models of 260's similar price, and most 4870's cheaper.
 
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Nvidia also would not be releasing a 260+ with more SP's enabled if it thought it was the faster card. If they are doing it, its necessary, meaning it is the slower card, Nvidia think so let alone everyone else.
Both cards have essentially equal performance. The 4870 wins in some games and the 260 wins others, but most are very close. The reason NVidia are increasing the spec is because they can make the 260 more attractive without cutting the price. ATI do not have that option and when the new 260's arrive watch 4870 sales drop and prices fall. This will be good for the consumer (atleast for the one's that have not bought a new card yet),
 
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