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Hi, I’m a total novice and I want to buy a PC that can handle all types of high spec FPS and strategy games and music software like Abelton.

Assume price is no issue, but I want it under £2.5k

I want it to run seamlessly, with no lag and I want it to be quiet if possible.

Again, I’m a novice, but I had my eye on a build with an i9 24 core processor and a NVIDIA 4080 graphics card. It was close to £2.8k. Can I do better than that without building it myself and from a reliable vendor?

Will this combination suit my needs? What are the flaws of this combination?

im open to any advice or recommendations. Thankyou
 
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With gaming the top priority and low noise I'd advise one of the AMD X3d chips.

They're a much more efficient chip than the i9 (though they are slightly slower in professional workloads, I'm not sure you would really notice so much in real world) with this efficiency less heat is produced making it easier to keep the darn thing cool.

Building it yourself will be a couple of hundred cheaper, but you need to accept some of the risk. There are plenty of YouTube videos out their that are of high quality so it shouldn't be too bad.
 
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My basket at OcUK:
  • 1 x OcUK Gaming Osprey - AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D RX 7900 Series Gaming PC (SKU: FS-1FR-OG) = £2,635.04
    • Case: 1 x Phanteks Eclipse G500A D-RGB Mid-tower PC case - Satin Black
    • Graphics Card: 1 x Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX Pulse 24GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card
    • Memory: 1 x Corsair Vengeance EXPO 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C36 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMK32GX5M2B5600Z36)
    • Primary Solid State Drive (M.2: 1 x WD Black SN770 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T3X0E)
    • Operating System: 1 x Build Stock Microsoft Windows 11 Home Advanced - Systems

Total: £2,643.04 (includes delivery: £7.99)​



 
If you are intertested in building it yourself (its not as hard as it seems). I have designed this one with a focus on the sound recording music software.

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £2,432.72 (includes delivery: £0.00)​




I would change the cooler (the ag500 is used as a placeholder) for a


The psu can be had in stock for other places.
Loads of ram as Abelton can use lots of ram and twin fast drives for loading and saving tracks to. I have added a sound card to potentially use with Abelton.
Windows can be had legally from microsofts site and a key for £5-£10 from key sites.
 
Again, I’m a novice, but I had my eye on a build with an i9 24 core processor and a NVIDIA 4080 graphics card. It was close to £2.8k. Can I do better than that without building it myself and from a reliable vendor?
Will this combination suit my needs? What are the flaws of this combination?
4080 is a good card for up to 4K, but from what you've described, I should think that the i9 is unnecessary and they're a lot harder to power and cool than a Ryzen 7000.

My suggestion would be the Ryzen 9 7900, review here:


The Tomahawk has spdif, if you need it.

You could upgrade the stock cooler with an AIO, or a decent tower air cooler.

Assume price is no issue, but I want it under £2.5k

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £2,491.82 (includes delivery: £11.98)​

It was close to £2.8k.
Afaik OCUK would charge around £250 to build this, but you'd need to check.

from a reliable vendor?
FYI: we can only recommend OCUK since this is their forum.
 
With gaming the top priority and low noise I'd advise one of the AMD X3d chips.

They're a much more efficient chip than the i9 (though they are slightly slower in professional workloads, I'm not sure you would really notice so much in real world) with this efficiency less heat is produced making it easier to keep the darn thing cool.

Building it yourself will be a couple of hundred cheaper, but you need to accept some of the risk. There are plenty of YouTube videos out their that are of high quality so it shouldn't be too bad.
Thankyou for the information. I really appreciate it. I note you and a few other posters recommend a Ryzen 7800/7900 over an i9. if I want to use Abelton music software it is recommended I use as many cores as possible. The i9 13900K has twice the cores of the 7900 which i assume means better performance for abelton, and as youve mentioned the Ryzen is a bit slower. I assume more cores require more power and so I have so sacrifice quietness. I would prioritise performance over quietness.

Would you recommend beefing up the power supply/cooling system if I go with the i9 24core processor and 4080 graphics card? are these a bad combination or just unnecessary in your opinion?

Thankyou again for the time and advice
 
Just need to make sure it's built well with decent quality components.

The downside to a pre built is that there is always a compromise within it, but this is countered by peace of mind.

I specced up a oc UK amd build and the compromises on that was a 80+ bronze PSU and slightly slower ram (though might not notice any difference with the lower ram) and the cooler wasn't specified other than being an aio, but there are varying quality of aio's.

Speccing and building your own you can get a better spec for less money, downside is if anything goes wrong you have the headache of working out what's wrong or fighting the warranty process. (though note it's not very common for warranties to occur when new, the majority of issues is down to fitment/install)
 
@Standupbloke

First queston, what is your priority here? - Gaming or audio (DAW) workload?
Second, what games do you want to play?

For gaming, the AMD 7800x3d is pretty much the best you can buy at the moment, it's 8 core and 16 threads but has a huge L3 cache (3d cache)

The Intel 13900k/14900k is 24 cores 32 threads, but they're 8 P (performance) cores and 16 E (efficiency) cores, which aren't as powerful and are more targeted to background tasks.
Intel are significantly more power hungry and therefore harder to cool than AMD at the moment (for AMD, you can even run on the 65w ECO setting without losing much speed!)

The 7900x are 12/24 with all being full performance cores, but the cores are split, with only half (6) having the 3d cache (which mostly only helps in certain gaming workloads, strategy being one of them! for example 'factorio' benefits hugely)
Similarly, the 7950x is 16 'full fat' cores (32 threads) and with the 'x3d' variant, 8 cores having access to a larger L3/'3d' cache. (7950x3d will be within 1-2% for gaming, but with added benefits for intensive media stuff)

DAW - There used to be some latency issues with early Ryzen processors (1xxx and possibly 2xxx series), but I've personally not noticed any issue with 3xxx and 5xxx, I've not yet tried 7xxx.
If your Ableton projects are not extremely complicated (i.e. having many VST or other intensive plugins in use), then I don't think you'll have much issue with any modern processor.
Personally my projects have always been pretty simple and if you start hitting performance issues you can always bounce instruments to WAV files to reduce load (once you've got them sounding as you want).

For graphics card, it's basically how much you're happy spending... For competitive FPS (warzone/fortnite etc) I think anything from a 4070 would give you a great experience without having to drop too many settings, assuming you need 144hz+, this all depends on what monitor you'll be using for gaming.

Regarding pre-built systems, as mentioned above, they will usually skimp a bit on things like PSU (you want a decent PSU!!!) and motherboard. OCUK will happily build a system to your spec if you give them a list, I think it's around £100 build charge.

For your uses I'd recommend at least 32GB RAM, ideally 64GB. RAM is pretty cheap at the moment so you want to at least be looking at 6000MHz C36 kits (it's pretty much the sweet spot for AMD, Intel can make better use of faster MHZ)
I'd also say to get a decent amount of SSD storage, Gen5 is a 'nice to have' but decent Gen4 is more than fast enough and about half the price for capacity.

For a full spec, @Tetras is absolutely your man and will have better recommendations than I can come up with!

I appreciate this is a huge info dump and I hope it's not too overwhelming and in some way helpful :)
 
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Oh also, if you go for the intel option, I'd fully recommend spending the extra £20-30 for the K version of the processor rather than the KF, the integrated graphics can be a lifesaver for troubleshooting graphics card issues!
 
@Standupbloke

First queston, what is your priority here? - Gaming or audio (DAW) workload?
Second, what games do you want to play?

For gaming, the AMD 7800x3d is pretty much the best you can buy at the moment, it's 8 core and 16 threads but has a huge L3 cache (3d cache)

The Intel 13900k/14900k is 24 cores 32 threads, but they're 8 P (performance) cores and 16 E (efficiency) cores, which aren't as powerful and are more targeted to background tasks.
Intel are significantly more power hungry and therefore harder to cool than AMD at the moment (for AMD, you can even run on the 65w ECO setting without losing much speed!)

The 7900x are 12/24 with all being full performance cores, but the cores are split, with only half (6) having the 3d cache (which mostly only helps in certain gaming workloads, strategy being one of them! for example 'factorio' benefits hugely)
Similarly, the 7950x is 16 'full fat' cores (32 threads) and with the 'x3d' variant, 8 cores having access to a larger L3/'3d' cache. (7950x3d will be within 1-2% for gaming, but with added benefits for intensive media stuff)

DAW - There used to be some latency issues with early Ryzen processors (1xxx and possibly 2xxx series), but I've personally not noticed any issue with 3xxx and 5xxx, I've not yet tried 7xxx.
If your Ableton projects are not extremely complicated (i.e. having many VST or other intensive plugins in use), then I don't think you'll have much issue with any modern processor.
Personally my projects have always been pretty simple and if you start hitting performance issues you can always bounce instruments to WAV files to reduce load (once you've got them sounding as you want).

For graphics card, it's basically how much you're happy spending... For competitive FPS (warzone/fortnite etc) I think anything from a 4070 would give you a great experience without having to drop too many settings, assuming you need 144hz+, this all depends on what monitor you'll be using for gaming.

Regarding pre-built systems, as mentioned above, they will usually skimp a bit on things like PSU (you want a decent PSU!!!) and motherboard. OCUK will happily build a system to your spec if you give them a list, I think it's around £100 build charge.

For your uses I'd recommend at least 32GB RAM, ideally 64GB. RAM is pretty cheap at the moment so you want to at least be looking at 6000MHz C36 kits (it's pretty much the sweet spot for AMD, Intel can make better use of faster MHZ)
I'd also say to get a decent amount of SSD storage, Gen5 is a 'nice to have' but decent Gen4 is more than fast enough and about half the price for capacity.

For a full spec, @Tetras is absolutely your man and will have better recommendations than I can come up with!

I appreciate this is a huge info dump and I hope it's not too overwhelming and in some way helpful :)
Thankyou very much for all that info. It is a lot which I will have to digest gradually, but I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to explain it all.

I can’t really say which is priority. I want maximum gaming and Abelton utility. I’m guessing from your question it’s difficult to achieve both.

In relation to the type of games I would be playing, I’ve been out of the gaming world for a while, I don’t have a particular game in mind. I just wanted to be able to jump back in with the ability to play the most advanced resource-hungry games at the highest level of performance.

Regarding Abelton I’m a total amateur, I only want to make music for myself, no live performances. But I have some ideas about using multiple layers/sounds/instruments all at once. I want to be able to do this without issue. Do you think I need a particularly good sound card for this? Or would a base level one suffice?

I take note regarding the excessive number cores of the i9. If you think AMD can give me the performance I’m after then there’s no point in overkill with the i9.

Again thankyou very much for sharing your knowledge on this, it’s really helpful
 
Thankyou very much for all that info. It is a lot which I will have to digest gradually, but I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to explain it all.

I can’t really say which is priority. I want maximum gaming and Abelton utility. I’m guessing from your question it’s difficult to achieve both.
No problem :) You should be able to get very good performance for either with any current gen platform, I wouldn't worry too much about AMD/Intel

In relation to the type of games I would be playing, I’ve been out of the gaming world for a while, I don’t have a particular game in mind. I just wanted to be able to jump back in with the ability to play the most advanced resource-hungry games at the highest level of performance.
You should be able to get great performance with either AMD or Intel
Regarding Abelton I’m a total amateur, I only want to make music for myself, no live performances. But I have some ideas about using multiple layers/sounds/instruments all at once. I want to be able to do this without issue. Do you think I need a particularly good sound card for this? Or would a base level one suffice?
Should be fine on basically anything modern: If you're only wanting to do a few tracks (VSTs or audio recording tracks) then onboard sound is gonna be fine, you'll want to get some decent headphones/monitor speakers though (I picked up some Presonus Eris 3.5s recently and they seem great so far!) -As I said in the previous post, if you start to struggle then you can always bounce out tracks to WAV to reduce load, but I don't think that'll be an issue (I've never hit any bottlenecks in the stuff I've done with even a 3700x (AMD) CPU)
I take note regarding the excessive number cores of the i9. If you think AMD can give me the performance I’m after then there’s no point in overkill with the i9.
Again thankyou very much for sharing your knowledge on this, it’s really helpful
As I said before, I think you'll be fine with anything modern. If you're considering the Intel option then I'd look at a 14700k rather than 14900k, It's 8P+12E cores rather than 8P+16E, in gaming there is almost (1-2%) no difference, but £200 cheaper!

For AMD, current gen - 7800x3D would probably be best for gaming (depending on the game - as I said factorio seems to benefit a lot from this), I'd assume other strategy games would as well.
Intel (i.e. 14700k) would be very close in most gaming and music use cases.

Overall, I think for both gaming and audio production workloads, you'll be very happy with anything in the last couple of generations (though with your budget I'd stick with AMD: 7700x-7800x3D, or intel: 14700k, put the extra in to a better graphics card (7900XTX, or 4080/4090).

Get at least 32GB, or preferably 64GB RAM and you'll be all good for many years to come :)

For storage (at current prices), I'd recommend a 1TB main drive (but I'd personally split it in to 300-500GB OS drive and the rest as a storage/applications partition, just to make it easier if you ever need to re-install the OS), and perhaps a 2-4TB games drive, depending on how big the titles you want to play are
 
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