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[H]ardOCP: GeForce Partner Program Impacts Consumer Choice

Soldato
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I'm conflicted. While I don't want this to be a one horse race, the alternative is buying a lesser product.

If we all switched to AMD then I'd do it, but then it's back to that one horse.
 
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All the talks of boycotts are just silly. Doing that just limits your choice. I've got zero sympathy for AMD who have been absolutely useless in the GPU space.

They still insist on using the Radeon brand, which is cancerous among many consumers. They've learned nothing and it's their own stupid fault their GPU business has tanked.

If Intel step up and do the business in the dGPU space, then i can see RTG disappearing like a fart in the wind.
 
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I'm conflicted. While I don't want this to be a one horse race, the alternative is buying a lesser product.

If we all switched to AMD then I'd do it, but then it's back to that one horse.

And then you are supporting a company that doesn't make the best products. Do you want to support a company that is failing to make good products, not investing in R&D, is badly managed, makes poor strategic decisions, does nothing about their dire marketing? AMD's motivates are exactly the same as Nvidia's, maximize shareholder profit.
 
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Even though Nvidia pull some **** moves. I've enjoyed their products for 10 years and never had an issue. Even the 3.5GB memory issue with the 970, i complained to Nvidia, they sent me 3 AAA title codes, which i sold. I basically got the card for under £200 at that point. That turned out to be more than the $30 consumers were getting for the class-action lawsuit.

I've only bought one AMD card and it was crap. So, why should i buy AMD over Nvidia?

I'm not boycotting anything. That's AMD's problem.
 
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Even though Nvidia pull some **** moves. I've enjoyed their products for 10 years and never had an issue. Even the 3.5GB memory issue with the 970, i complained to Nvidia, they sent me 3 AAA title codes, which i sold. I basically got the card for under £200 at that point. That turned out to be more than the $30 consumers were getting for the class-action lawsuit.

I've only bought one AMD card and it was crap. So, why should i buy AMD over Nvidia?

I'm not boycotting anything. That's AMD's problem.

It's about principles!
 
Soldato
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Even though Nvidia pull some **** moves. I've enjoyed their products for 10 years and never had an issue. Even the 3.5GB memory issue with the 970, i complained to Nvidia, they sent me 3 AAA title codes, which i sold. I basically got the card for under £200 at that point. That turned out to be more than the $30 consumers were getting for the class-action lawsuit.

I've only bought one AMD card and it was crap. So, why should i buy AMD over Nvidia?

I'm not boycotting anything. That's AMD's problem.

Which AMD card did you have that was crap. Been using AMD/ATI/NVIDIA for 17 years now and not had one bad card. I guess if you read the reviews you know what to expect when you buy.
 
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Which AMD card did you have that was crap. Been using AMD/ATI/NVIDIA for 17 years now and not had one bad card. I guess if you read the reviews you know what to expect when you buy.

The type of card it was is completely irrelevant. The point is, it only takes one bad experience to damage your brand.

AMD need stop relying on sympathy to gain market share and start putting out decent, competitive products that people want to buy.

It's not rocket science, there is a reason people buy Nvidia over AMD and as stated above, the Radeon brand isn't helping them whatsoever.
 
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The type of card it was is completely irrelevant. The point is, it only takes one bad experience to damage your brand.

AMD need stop relying on sympathy to gain market share and start putting out decent, competitive products that people want to buy.

It's not rocket science, there is a reason people buy Nvidia over AMD and as stated above, the Radeon brand isn't helping them whatsoever.

Nvidia have also made some stinkers but there brand was fine after. The 5800 still sold better than the 9800. Only you are to blame for not researching your purchase as it's all laid out in reviews showing the performance, price, power usage and temps.
 
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The type of card it was is completely irrelevant. The point is, it only takes one bad experience to damage your brand.
While Nvidia always gets "get out of jail for free" card!

Nvidia had whole generation of cards build to fail because of bad design in attaching GPU die to package and no testing.
https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1736698/nvidia-settles-bumpgate-class-action-lawsuit
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1045810/000119312508145974/d8k.htm
That affected also lots of desktop graphics cards.
Leading to people baking failed cards in oven to reflow cracked solder contacts.

What about showing off completely faked card half year before they had anything actually ready for consumer sales?
https://www.bit-tech.net/news/tech/graphics/fermi-card-on-stage-wasn-t-real/1/

Then there have been buggy drivers "jamming cooler RPM" at worst even burning cards...
https://www.techspot.com/news/38131-nvidia-19675-gpu-driver-burning-up-graphics-cards.html
Or this more recent problem
https://www.engadget.com/2016/03/08/nvidia-graphics-driver-hurts-systems/

Then there's that "4GB" memory of GTX970 which you're brushing aside as "Nothing to see here, move along".

And outside graphics cards when Nvidia made motherboard chipsets many of those weren't exactly problem free.
 
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Nvidia have had bad cards too. No one needs to remind me.

AMD have only got themselves to blame. No one else. They should stop playing the sympathy card and get on with releasing decent, competitive products.

Do you see AMD wearing an eye patch and rattling their tin cup. No, you don't. These companies aren't your friend. AMD have the same agenda as Nvidia and people need to stop treating them any differently.
 
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AMD have the same agenda as Nvidia and people need to stop treating them any differently.

Apparently differing agenda...

Radeon RX Graphics: A Gamer’s Choice
in 04/17/18 by Scott Herkelman

Our proud pastime of PC gaming has been built on the idea of freedom. Freedom to choose. How to play the game. What to do and when to do it. And specifically, what to play it on. PC gaming has a long, proud tradition of choice. Whether you build and upgrade your own PCs, or order pre-built rigs after you’ve customized every detail online, you know that what you’re playing on is of your own making, based on your freedom to choose the components that you want. Freedom of choice is a staple of PC gaming.

Over the coming weeks, you can expect to see our add-in board partners launch new brands that carry an AMD Radeon product. AMD is pledging to reignite this freedom of choice when gamers choose an AMD Radeon RX graphics card. These brands will share the same values of openness, innovation, and inclusivity that most gamers take to heart. The freedom to tell others in the industry that they won’t be boxed in to choosing proprietary solutions that come bundled with “gamer taxes” just to enjoy great experiences they should rightfully have access to. The freedom to support a brand that actively works to advance the art and science of PC gaming while expanding its reach.

The key values that brands sporting AMD Radeon products will offer are:

• A dedication to open innovation – AMD works tirelessly to advance PC gaming through close collaboration with hardware standards bodies, API and game developers, making our technologies available to all to help further the industry. Through our collaboration with JEDEC on memory standards like HBM and HBM2, Microsoft on DirectX and Khronos on Vulkan, and through the GPUOpen initiative where we provide access to a comprehensive collection of visual effects, productivity tools, and other content at no cost, we’re enabling the industry to the benefit of gamers.

• A commitment to true transparency through industry standards – Through industry standards like AMD FreeSync technology, we’re providing the PC ecosystem with technologies that significantly enhance gamers’ experiences, enabling partners to adopt them at no cost to consumers, rather than penalizing gamers with proprietary technology “taxes” and limiting their choice in displays.

• Real partnerships with real consistency – We work closely with all our AIB partners, so that our customers are empowered with the best, high-performance, high quality gaming products and technologies available from AMD. No anti-gamer / anti-competitive strings attached.

• Expanding the PC gaming ecosystem – We create open and free game development technologies that enable the next generation of immersive gaming experiences across PC and console ecosystems. These efforts have resulted in advancements such as AMD FreeSync adoption on TVs for Xbox One S or X, integration of forward looking “Vega” architecture features and technologies into Far Cry 5 without penalizing the competition, and inclusion of open sourced AMD innovations into the Vulkan API which game developers can adopt freely.

We pledge to put premium, high-performance graphics cards in the hands of as many gamers as possible and give our partners the support they need without anti-competitive conditions. Through the support of our add-in-board partners that carry forward the AMD Radeon RX brand, we’re continuing to push the industry openly, transparently and without restrictions so that gamers have access to the best immersive technologies, APIs and experiences.

We believe that freedom of choice in PC gaming isn’t a privilege. It’s a right.
 
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