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[H]ardOCP: GeForce Partner Program Impacts Consumer Choice

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There are so many variables that could change in testing a game months later on a test bed alone, before you even touch on the game being patched.

To say it's foul play without really doing any of the groundwork yourself is incredibly easy. Words are, and forever will be cheap.

Which is why lying in reviews and review sites in general aren't trustworthy, words are cheap, literally, they can be bought at a low price.

The point was after AMD had a card Nvidia couldn't deal with suddenly and for no reason pretty much all the strongest titles for AMD were removed, lots of Nvidia heavy, physx heavy games were added and other games suddenly AMDs top card lost a huge amount of performance.

One of these things is suspicious, all of them together is frankly unquestionable. They also listed the drivers and those drivers worked perfectly with xfire in that specific game for me and everyone else I could find. There was no reason the game suddenly stopped working with xfire and yet suspiciously it did.
 
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Happen to watch an HardwareUnboxed (that's the Aussie one right?) video the other day comparing the Fury X to the GTX 1070. They'd tested it a while back and found on average the 1070 was 11% faster. When they retested with latest drivers (at the time) the 1070 was 10% faster. I think the games used changed a little and I think in the second run more supported Vulkan/DX12, which helped the Fury X I think.
Not sure how the 1070 compares to a 980Ti.
I was looking Fury X and 980 comparisons, which are hard to find, I guess because they were never competing cards.

1070 is 3% faster than R9 Fury X: https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_1070_Ti_FTW2/

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Battlefield 1
R9 Fury X 36.0 FPS v
GTX 1070 43.1 FPS v

Civilization VI
R9 Fury X 49.7 FPS v
GTX 1070 60.9 FPS v

Call of Duty: IW
R9 Fury X 53.3 FPS v
GTX 1070 50.2 FPS v

Dawn of War III
R9 Fury X 32.5 FPS v
GTX 1070 32.7 FPS v

Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
R9 Fury X 23.7 FPS v
GTX 1070 23.2 FPS v

Dishonored 2
R9 Fury X 28.2 FPS v
GTX 1070 36.0 FPS v

DOOM
R9 Fury X 47.7 FPS v
GTX 1070 40.8 FPS v

F1 2016
R9 Fury X 46.3 FPS v
GTX 1070 41.9 FPS v

Ghost Recon Wildlands
R9 Fury X 31.8 FPS v
GTX 1070 33.8 FPS v

Grand Theft Auto V
R9 Fury X 48.8 FPS v
GTX 1070 50.8 FPS v

Hitman
R9 Fury X 44.9 FPS v
GTX 1070 46.1 FPS v

Prey
R9 Fury X 39.9 FPS v
GTX 1070 38.5 FPS

Rainbow Six Siege
R9 Fury X 52.8 FPS v
GTX 1070 50.5 FPS

Resident Evil 7
R9 Fury X 36.3 FPS v
GTX 1070 38.4 FPS v

Rise of the Tomb Raider
R9 Fury X 30.9 FPS v
GTX 1070 31.2 FPS v

Sniper Elite 4
R9 Fury X 42.4 FPS v
GTX 1070 38.0 FPS v

Styx: Shards of Darkness
R9 Fury X 30.5 FPS v
GTX 1070 33.3 FPS v

The Witcher 3
R9 Fury X 34.7 FPS v
GTX 1070 36.6 FPS v

Watch Dogs 2
R9 Fury X 20.0 FPS v
GTX 1070 26.7 FPS v

R9 Fury X 730.4 FPS
GTX 1070 752.7 FPS

Who will be avoiding NVidia in the future then? I don't care personally and will buy whatever is best suited to me.

Me, put me in the list with the people who will avoid GeForces.

I am, personally, happy with Radeons. Have right now an R9 380 Sapphire Nitro and not going to upgrade soon enough.
 
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Got a link to back that up?

Also I should've said the HardwareUnboxed tests were at 1440p

EDIT:
Based on the link you provided it looks like
At 1080p 1070 is 11% faster
At 1440p 1070 is 8% faster
At 2160p 1070 is 3.5% faster

So saying 3% is being generous and picking best case. You could as easily say 1070 is 11% faster.
So at 1440p Techpowerup and HardwareUnboxed were 2% off.
The hardware unboxed review was older than I thought (January 2017) so were using older drivers so that might explain a bit of the difference.
 
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Got a link to back that up?

Also I should've said the HardwareUnboxed tests were at 1440p

EDIT:
Based on the link you provided it looks like
At 1080p 1070 is 11% faster
At 1440p 1070 is 8% faster
At 2160p 1070 is 3.5% faster

So saying 3% is being generous and picking best case. You could as easily say 1070 is 11% faster.
So at 1440p Techpowerup and HardwareUnboxed were 2% off.
The hardware unboxed review was older than I thought (January 2017) so were using older drivers so that might explain a bit of the difference.

Tbh that's pretty surprising to me as Fury X was a bit of a dog on release. I have not really kept up with it's performance as it's not a card i am interested in as it was clearly outperformed by the gtx980ti. If it had had 2gb more vram it wouldn't be a bad purchase second hand now as the performance seems to be a lot better. It's not to surprising though as AMD chips do seem to get better over time. Lack of memory is a deal breaker for me though.
 
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Tbh that's pretty surprising to me as Fury X was a bit of a dog on release. I have not really kept up with it's performance as it's not a card i am interested in as it was clearly outperformed by the gtx980ti. If it had had 2gb more vram it wouldn't be a bad purchase second hand now as the performance seems to be a lot better. It's not to surprising though as AMD chips do seem to get better over time. Lack of memory is a deal breaker for me though.

The performance is there even despite the fact that it is "only" 4GB of HBM. The bottleneck will appear in the shaders, not in the HBM size first.
 
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The performance is there even despite the fact that it is "only" 4GB of HBM. The bottleneck will appear in the shaders, not in the HBM size first.

It's been a while since Fury X has been talked about but i am sure it had Vram issues back not long after it released. The averages might be high but i would like to see the minimums.
 
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Which is why lying in reviews and review sites in general aren't trustworthy, words are cheap, literally, they can be bought at a low price.

The point was after AMD had a card Nvidia couldn't deal with suddenly and for no reason pretty much all the strongest titles for AMD were removed, lots of Nvidia heavy, physx heavy games were added and other games suddenly AMDs top card lost a huge amount of performance.

One of these things is suspicious, all of them together is frankly unquestionable. They also listed the drivers and those drivers worked perfectly with xfire in that specific game for me and everyone else I could find. There was no reason the game suddenly stopped working with xfire and yet suspiciously it did.


The tech media is broken enough without adding tinfoil. Nobody has enough product knowledge. You can double that down with some good old fashion bribery, doesn't really make a blind bit of difference. Besides which, the 7990 did have its own problems, it didn't really need much in the way of smoke and mirrors from NVIDIA.

That aside, like I said, it's very easy to sit there and shout foul play without anything substantial to back up claims.
 
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It's been a while since Fury X has been talked about but i am sure it had Vram issues back not long after it released. The averages might be high but i would like to see the minimums.
I think the HardwareUnboxed video did give minimums. Sometimes they were a bit low, like average of 80 with mins in the 40-50 region. Didn't strike me (or the guy doing the tests if I remember correctly) as being caused by running out of VRAM though. They did their tests at 1440p I think. Maybe they just picked (or happened to choose) games that weren't overly demanding in terms of VRAM.
 
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If AMD stops making new GPUs, you will say bye-bye to your hobby. There will be a monopoly and no technology progress.
If NVidia were the only GPU maker, they would still want to sell GPUs, so they would still need to sell at the right prices and innovate to sell more. They would still want to make money.
 
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