Had enough of Windows!

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It didn't annoyed me much until now. A few months back, I was helping out a friend to buy suitable Dell system and setting it up for him, getting rid of all rubbish pre-loaded programs, something like 10 or more programs. Some programs can be either full, 90 days trial or limited features etc.

I never understood the point of pre-installed 3rd party software when XP already has covered that, such as cd writing or network setup softwares (especially with Dell's stupid, stupid and complicated networking software when Microsoft does the job fine).

I'm getting used to Dell's way of pre-installed craps and I guess that software companies paying Dell a small sum of money to install softwares for them to improve the chance of Dell customers buying their softwares and also it could also explains why Dell systems are cheaper.

But I didn't think it was that bad until I set up friend's Packard Bell PC last Friday. It was an absolutely joke. Instead of pre-loaded programs being displayed in Add/Remove programs, they are tucked away in PB's own 'system restore'. Even worse, when you uninstalled one, it doesn't remove from list - I have to remember which programs I have finished uninstalling. Some other softwares that loads at startup are not included in PB's own add/remove and they sit in C:/App directory rather than C:/Programs Files. Most of App does not include uninstaller tool (it seemed to be removed by Packard Bell). I had to take them off from startup list. It is unbelievable mess Packard Bell made of Windows XP.

After setting up broadband connection on one user account and then create another user account, logged in and open internet explorer, you met with welcome offline packard bell's internet connection setup. :rolleyes: I thought, thats it, this is where you're going wrong Microsoft!

I know it isn't Microsoft fault but it is confusing customers even further with loads of pre-installed craps when they bought their first PC. Mac doesn't comes with pre-loaded craps and boy, it's worth the money!

Thinking of Vista, major PC assemblers will probably install pre-loaded craps on it and with its excessive system requirement, will cause it to slow down so much to the crawl of celeron pc! Maybe first timer would be better off buying a system off local PC builders instead and this pre-loaded craps by major PC companies has to stop & does not improve Microsoft's image at all.

Just my rant!
 
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dirtydog said:
So it isn't Windows you are ranting about, it is PC builders like Dell and Packard Bell.
Yes but then, it is allowing them to install the craps whenever they like to. Thats the problem.

Dell and Packard Bell don't bundled their PC with Windows CD and we can do re-install with our own CD but we shouldn't be doing that as soon as we press power button.
 
barnettgs said:
Yes but then, it is allowing them to install the craps whenever they like to. Thats the problem.

Dell and Packard Bell don't bundled their PC with Windows CD and we can do re-install with our own CD but we shouldn't be doing that as soon as we press power button.
So Windows shouldn't let system builders pre-install any software?
 
dirtydog said:
So Windows shouldn't let system builders pre-install any software?
I take it you haven't seen Dell or Packard Bell system before?

You have missed my second paragraph of my first post.
 
I did read your post and I have seen Dell + PB systems. It's a free country - they are free to install crap, just as customers are free not to buy those systems if they don't like the preinstalled junk. They can always get their wallet raped and buy a Mac instead.
 
I got an evesham laptop 3 months ago, got it, was lagging so badly it wouldn't do anything. Nuked it and reinstalled and it worked like a dream. Until the powerpack died. :(

Then my friend next door ordered a desktop a couple of weeks ago, called me in because it took TEN MINUTES to load internet explorer! Nuked it, and now its fine!

So generally, the first thing I so with a new pc now, is destructive reformat and reinstall windows with nothing extra, no crappy extra users or anything.
 
After setting up broadband connection on one user account and then create another user account, logged in and open internet explorer, you met with welcome offline packard bell's internet connection setup. I thought, thats it, this is where you're going wrong Microsoft!

Your rant doesn't make sense.

Why stop using Windows because of Dell and Packard Bell?

Simple stop using their systems. Absolutely nothing to do with Microsoft or Windows but solely down to the companies that build the systems.
 
ns400r said:
Your rant doesn't make sense.

Why stop using Windows because of Dell and Packard Bell?

Simple stop using their systems. Absolutely nothing to do with Microsoft or Windows but solely down to the companies that build the systems.

its obvious that the guy is a bit confused, hes moaning about Packard Bell, DEll, Compaq etc preloading badly coded software on the machine

stop being a arse :)

EDIT: ignore the above, didnt read what you were quoting.. sorry :)
 
alexjholland said:
it took TEN MINUTES to load internet explorer!
Erm I used to have a P75 with 16MB of RAM and a 4500rpm hard drive, and even running Windows 98 on that, you could boot Windows and load IE in a few minutes. The program itself would load within perhaps 5 seconds. So ten minutes sounds a tad implausible :eek:
 
stop complaining its never windows, always the user ;) beleive me around 80% of this forum doesnt get problems with windows so why you different ?
 
With packard bell its usualy inbuilt recovery (F10 or F11) and u can create the Recovery disc which is XP.

But its still gonna come back with bloatware....

At the end of the day if u know about PCs get one built or get an OEM XP and download the drivers, issue solved.
 
I hate Windows as well. I installed a program onto it last week and it crashed. Obviously the only thing I could do was restart the computer. I had no other choice.
 
5tephen said:
I hate Windows as well. I installed a program onto it last week and it crashed. Obviously the only thing I could do was restart the computer. I had no other choice.


Maybe blame the program you installed and not Windows. It crashed because you installed a program, not because it was sitting there waiting to crash !
 
ns400r said:
Maybe blame the program you installed and not Windows. It crashed because you installed a program, not because it was sitting there waiting to crash !

But my problem, like the OP's problem, is that Windows suffers from the fatal flaw that it allows software to be installed on it. This problem has plagued Windows since its very conception.
 
5tephen said:
But my problem, like the OP's problem, is that Windows suffers from the fatal flaw that it allows software to be installed on it. This problem has plagued Windows since its very conception.

Can't argue with that.
What we should be able to do is order a PC with exactly the software we want and XP is fine tweaked so it never goes wrong.
A few months later we may want another program and we can pay somebody a vast amount to install it and fine tune XP again so it never goes wrong.
After all the average user only uses about 5 programs max.
 
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