Harder driving tests considered

Dashik · 2 Jan 2007 at 21:40

ScoobyDoo69 said:
Yeah I know the "Natural Driver" term, I've been called it on several occasions by friends.. I always say, "no, I just know when to be sensible when driving and actually pay attention because I enjoy it"
I passed first time with 4minors and I do not think I am a great driver, yes I think I'm "good" but if I didn't I think I'd be too nervous to drive. Imagine trying to drive when you have no confidence that you can do it well?

Best compliment form a pupil on passing her test ever? = I feel confident that I can drive anywhere, anytime especially in Edinburgh!!

I still smile when I think of her

I tell all my pupils they may be a bit nervous on passing their test and driving on there own for the first time(Who isn't?) but they should also feel confident that they can drive safely anywhere as thats what they have been doing etc !

Tom|Nbk · 2 Jan 2007 at 21:41

Dashik said:
I dont take offense, Indeed I am the first to admit I could be a better driver, But I would say I am a better driver than most but I am always learning.

I just hate arrogant knowitall ADI's and hope to god if I ever turn into one of those that somebody shoots me! If your ADI is arrogant maybe its time for a change?

Very glad to see you can relate to what i experienced, My original ADI was very arrogant and definetly a knowitall that didn't listen to what i had to say. Thankfully i changed but i definetly spent way to much time with this particular ADI, i changed to another ADI who was not as bad and i seemed to get on with him a whole lot better, i passed after 4 lessons with the new ADI. The attitude of the ADI can be on of the biggest factors of learning.

Dashik · 2 Jan 2007 at 21:41

Jimmi said:
In that case can we ban women from the roads as well

Hate to burst your bubble but actually they are better at learning to drive than the guys! They dont come with 'Attitude'!

Jimmi · 2 Jan 2007 at 21:43

Dashik said:
Hate to burst your bubble but actually they are better at learning to drive than the guys! They dont come with 'Attitude'!

Wheres the sarcasm smilie gone :cool:

Tom|Nbk · 2 Jan 2007 at 21:44

Dashik said:
Hate to burst your bubble but actually they are better at learning to drive than the guys! They dont come with 'Attitude'!

They may be better at learning, but does that make them better drivers on the road?

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ScoobyDoo69 · 2 Jan 2007 at 21:44

Dashik said:
They dont come with 'Attitude'!

That may be the case when learning, but once passed they change a fair bit. "I'm a girl and I'm driving a nice car, I own the road - no need for manners" is what strikes me. Seen it happen with several of my friends. Hopefully it's only my experience though !

Dashik · 2 Jan 2007 at 21:45

Tom|Nbk said:
Very glad to see you can relate to what i experienced, My original ADI was very arrogant and definetly a knowitall that didn't listen to what i had to say. Thankfully i changed but i definetly spent way to much time with this particular ADI, i changed to another ADI who was not as bad and i seemed to get on with him a whole lot better, i passed after 4 lessons with the new ADI. The attitude of the ADI can be on of the biggest factors of learning.

Correct, I tell all my new pupils that it does not matter how good technically I am (and I am very good

) but if they can relax and get along with me in the car for 2 hours, Otherwise they are better going with somebody else they can relax with and listen to no matter if they are a lesser grade instructor!

Dashik · 2 Jan 2007 at 21:48

ScoobyDoo69 said:
That may be the case when learning, but once passed they change a fair bit. "I'm a girl and I'm driving a nice car, I own the road - no need for manners" is what strikes me. Seen it happen with several of my friends. Hopefully it's only my experience though !

If thats the case then why is it all the young men you are 10x more likely to die in a car crash?

Young men are FAR more aggresive than young women and dont try and tell me otherwise and its not just in cars as I'm sure you know!

That does not mean that all women are great drivers nor does it follow that all young men are bad, just that its more likely to be a young male muppet that kills you!

Tom|Nbk · 2 Jan 2007 at 21:48

ScoobyDoo69 said:
That may be the case when learning, but once passed they change a fair bit. "I'm a girl and I'm driving a nice car, I own the road - no need for manners" is what strikes me. Seen it happen with several of my friends. Hopefully it's only my experience though !

Yea ive seen this aswell, definetly winds me up

Dashik · 2 Jan 2007 at 21:48

Tom|Nbk said:
Yea ive seen this aswell, definetly winds me up

Then learn some patience and relax

Duke · 2 Jan 2007 at 21:50

ScoobyDoo69 said:
No, and I didn't say that either. But would you feel safe with someone at the wheel who isn't aware of anything going on around them?

Of course not but I was just making the point that IQ doesn't really have anything to do with how aware someone is (unless you take it the very extremes maybe).. I know people who are intelligent but have no idea how to do something everyday, for example. Bit hard to explain really

ScoobyDoo69 · 2 Jan 2007 at 21:52

Duke said:
Of course not but I was just making the point that IQ doesn't really have anything to do with how aware someone is (unless you take it the very extremes maybe).. I know people who are intelligent but have no idea how to do something everyday, for example. Bit hard to explain really

Well ok, maybe not something like an IQ test, but maybe an awareness test?

Tom|Nbk · 2 Jan 2007 at 21:52

Dashik said:
Then learn some patience and relax

Obviously it dosnt wind me up to the point where i want to drive them off the road, i am a calm driver and have never contenplated this honest

, its just too many times ive give way to women or whatever and seem to get no recognition for it, as if they just own the road, don't think this makes them particulary bad drivers, apart from those that force there way through, just plain rude! :mad:

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Tom|Nbk · 2 Jan 2007 at 21:53

ScoobyDoo69 said:
maybe an awareness test?

Pretty sure thats why we have the Hazard Perception, prehaps this is the part they could make more advanced.

Jimmi · 2 Jan 2007 at 21:54

Duke said:
I know people who are intelligent but have no idea how to do something everyday, for example. Bit hard to explain really

i think i know what you mean

one of my mates has two degrees (maths and law) and lacks any sort of common sense (although he is getting better) and isnt very "street wise"

Duke · 2 Jan 2007 at 21:57

ScoobyDoo69 said:
Well ok, maybe not something like an IQ test, but maybe an awareness test?

Yup exactly. They do have this now though on the theory? no idea if it's any use but I think it would be better to have more instructed time as it doesn't take long after a driver can "drive" to see whether they really know what's going on around them.

Tom|Nbk · 2 Jan 2007 at 22:03

Duke said:
Yup exactly. They do have this now though on the theory? no idea if it's any use but I think it would be better to have more instructed time as it doesn't take long after a driver can "drive" to see whether they really know what's going on around them.

Hit the nail on the head, Hazard perception (awareness) takes around 10 min's in which you see a group of video clips and click when you think there is a hazard, this is a bit of a micky mouse way to have done it tbh, i think during the practical test and learning you should be seen to point out hazards and be aware etc.

Duke · 2 Jan 2007 at 22:07

Tom|Nbk said:
i think during the practical test and learning you should be seen to point out hazards and be aware etc.

I agree. They do this on the the advance driving test.

ScoobyDoo69 · 2 Jan 2007 at 22:09

There's quite a marked difference to staring at a screen, clicking a mouse, concentrating on looking for things - compared to driving, using the clutch gear stick, steering wheel, mirrors etc whilst looking for things. (not saying that it's hard to do, but in comparison..)
The hazard perception we get these days is.. poor.
As mentioned above, it would be better for the driver - when taking the practical, to have to point things out, if and when they are seen.

Dashik · 2 Jan 2007 at 22:52

ScoobyDoo69 said:
There's quite a marked difference to staring at a screen, clicking a mouse, concentrating on looking for things - compared to driving, using the clutch gear stick, steering wheel, mirrors etc whilst looking for things. (not saying that it's hard to do, but in comparison..)
The hazard perception we get these days is.. poor.
As mentioned above, it would be better for the driver - when taking the practical, to have to point things out, if and when they are seen.

Its called commentary driving. Its a good idea but then how would it work if you have a good driver whos shy and cant talk to strangers in a car? After all the test is a test of your ability to drive safely, not navigation or conversation so while people like myself are expected to be able to do this its a bit harsh on nervous first time drivers who are only 17 etc maybe and lack the confidence for public speaking.

Remember you can do what you like on a test (Almost lol) as long as its SAFE!