Has Hardware Unboxed just confirmed ryzen 5000 will be much faster than intel and zen2 in games?

[pc-guy]

https://youtu.be/wU-X1JC6G9I

They go into 5600x vs 3700x @ 6:35

but most interestingly Steve said something quite affirmative at 13:44 “significant improvements”. Then Tim reigned him in by saying “going by AMd numbers of course”. But Steve pulled a smiley face. Immediately said said “we will have these benchmarks shortly...day one review”.

This sounds like they have tested the CPUs already.

i wonder if I am reading too much into this.

also amongst the general talk between 3700x and 5600x, Steve said that the productivity will be evenly matched between the two. So similar multicore scores. How does he know that without having tested the CPU? That’s not in AMD presentations. Hardware Unboxed dont generally speculate on rumours or leaked bench data. For them to say as much must mean they got some data to back it up right?

 

[pc-guy]

I'm perceiving it the same way as you - based on how he said it he's clearly tested himself and found significant improvements, but then just mentioned AMD to cover himself for NDA. Hype train almost at the station.

I saw Tim’s face when Steve almost let it slip. I think Steve was about to say something and Tim interjected. And that smile from Steve was like “phew, that was close!”

I do wonder what if someone reputable like Hardware Unboxed accidentally let it slip on the performance of the new CPUs and ended up creating a massive demand for AMD just 2 weeks before actual launch. Will they be punished or secretly rewarded by AMD. Lol

 

[pc-guy]

Course the 5600x is going to be faster than 3700x at gaming, its obvious looking at all the single core strength, same thing happened last gen it will pip it at MC too probably

I think that’s what he has indicated also in his video a small margin tho.

but none of those data are available based on “going by AMD’s number of course”. All we have is 19% IPC lift from zen2 to zen3. AMD has not provided any numbers for 5600x.

so I am deducing that they has testing the whole product stack other than the 5950x already.

And I reckon that whole £/frame argument will be put to bed when the bench is out as when Steve was answering the question seems to indicate that the 5600x is better value when compared with 3700x.

 

[pc-guy]

I mean, even AMD's figures seem to confirm the question in the thread title. Unless we'd suspect they'd lie?

I watch their videos. It is just the way they had said things about the 5000 CPUs which they didn’t speculate about in the post launch video. It makes me think that they have got definitely data to say stuff in the Oct Q&A. Anyway so far the stuff been talked on this forum has all been hearsay and speculations and stuff of the rumour mills other than the 20% IPC lift from zen2 and the 10 games data is definitive (ie AMD gave us).

 

[pc-guy]

someone bought one so reviewers should have them.

https://twitter.com/VideoCardz/status/1320028517749477376?s=20

Is that a hoax?

 

[pc-guy]

Ryzen 5000 may not be the only thing faster in games..............................squeaky bottom time at Nvidia maybe

I think you need to be careful with these “leaked” data. Even Igor’s lad video said it might be early engineering sample so no one knows. I don’t like to speculate too much about these sort of things.

But I myself have fallen hard on nvidia’s Digital Foundry “independent” verification in their launch and started to believe all sorts. So ya lesson learnt. Be cautious.

 

[pc-guy]

It's an impressive fake if it is. The QR code validates as a 5600X.

Damn.

 

[pc-guy]

That’s what I reckon is the case.

any video of these guys spilling the beans?

 

[pc-guy]

Interesting they didn't use Port Royale on that list of benchmarks. Almost as if Big Navi will be like the 5700XT: better than Nvidia in rasterisation at the same price point but not very capable in ray tracing, albeit much better than the 5700 series which didn't even support DXR.

There are slides out there showing port royale rt performance. It is not even close to 3080. There will probably be a lot of driver updates in the next 12months to close that gap.

that said RT performance is really not that important atm.

 

[pc-guy]

I am afraid I couldn't disagree more. We finally have a generation of GPUs capable of real time reflections, shadows and lighting as well as consoles which will (to a lesser extent) support the technology helping to drive adoption by developers.

If you are buying a GPU at this point without ray tracing I can honestly say you will be missing out in the very near future. Just stick with whatever you have already if raytracing does not interest you as there is little point in just having a couple more frames per second

not sure
a) currently limited game title support. However it probably will expand in the future. New titles next year dunno what these games will bring. And for mainstream take up of RT, probably a few years down the line. so there is gonna be at least another generation of GPU before then.

b) 3080 with RT on doesn’t do 100+ FPS. With ultra settings @ 1440p. If you want 100+ FPS then you need to switch on DLSS and lower quality setting to high. That’s probably quite a lot of trade off for some people for relatively limited visual gain. Personally having higher levels of details and higher depth of a scene is visually more important than having ray tracing. And to hit those 240fps you can forget it with RT. So from the perspective of people’s buying loads of high refresh rate monitors to take advantage of smoothness gameplay experiences - playing RT counters that completely even with current generation of GPU. 3080 needs another 20-30% to like that.

 

[pc-guy]

When are zen 3 reviews out?

Day 1, probably 7am GMT or whenever ET ticks over to 5th Nov got hardware unboxed. And probably similar for any YouTube outlets when the NDA expires.

or maybe it is earlier as they are like 10hrs ahead.

 

[pc-guy]

I noticed during the Ryzen 5000 presentation as well that Lisa let it slip that they're going to be much faster than Intel. It was very subtle so she may have got away with it. I also noticed some slides appeared on screen which may back up my theory.

i think you are referring to the IPC over time where the "competitor" line was flat line over the last 6 years where AMD line was starting from a significant deficiency to the "Competitor" to now a HUGE lead in IPC.

 

[pc-guy]

I didn't notice them confirm that ryzen 5000 would be much faster than intel and zen 2 in games, let's hope so though.
I did hear them say that they wouldn't be reviewing the 5600x first, my guess is it will be either the 5900x or 5950x.

It is the subtle things they say. Steve said before they would recommend AMD as the value package as the gaming performance is good enough and AMD blitz productivity. And before they would recommend intel as the out right gaming system if all you care about is the best gaming performance. Steve then said now it is flipped around, zen3 is the outright gaming platform, and also blitz the productivity (on similar footing as zen2). And you still have this Zen 2 which is good value.

the key is that they didn’t mention intel in those word when taking about zen3 performances in gaming when referencing our right gaming machine.

 

[pc-guy]

There's gonna be the amd card reveal then reviewers will get the cpus THEN the reviewers will get the gpus and EVENTUALLY we get to see reviewers with the whole amd systems.

This is gonna be a lot of waiting.

LOL. It sure looks like that