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**HASWELL REFRESH PROCESSORS NOW IN AVAILABLE!!**

Better OC Flexibility with memory timings and speeds

With that ^^^ in mind how far would they overclock? Is it a lot like Lynnfield / Bloomfield? if so they might get to 4Ghz, which would make the i5 4460 @ £135 interesting.
 
The refresh chips in the op will work in current z87 boards and the new z97 chipset boards. Next month sees the release of the unlocked devils canyon chips, these will work on z97 but it's still unknown if they will work in z87 boards, broadwell comes later and will likely be z97. Intel are being very tight lipped with regards to what boards chips will work in.
 
Other than the minor speed increase, what's the difference between these and the first Haswell's?

Theoretically they should have better TIM between the die and the IHS and be binned for better overclockability. In practice, we'll see when they release them and people start buying them. I say people start buying them as the review samples may be super picked and be crazy overclockers while the retail versions remain mediocre.
 
Theoretically they should have better TIM between the die and the IHS and be binned for better overclockability. In practice, we'll see when they release them and people start buying them. I say people start buying them as the review samples may be super picked and be crazy overclockers while the retail versions remain mediocre.

Ah I see, thanks.
 
The refresh chips in the op will work in current z87 boards and the new z97 chipset boards. Next month sees the release of the unlocked devils canyon chips, these will work on z97 but it's still unknown if they will work in z87 boards, broadwell comes later and will likely be z97. Intel are being very tight lipped with regards to what boards chips will work in.

I hope the K chips work on z87, refuse to sell my motherboard when this one is only a number of months old.
 
I hope the K chips work on z87, refuse to sell my motherboard when this one is only a number of months old.
It's a complete scam if they don't. Anyone who bought a Z87 motherboard designed for overclocking, realised that their Haswell chip heated up to an inferno at 1.3v even on water and then saw that the refresh might have been the answer to all their problems should be royally ticked off if they are now expected to fork out on an unnecessary new chipset with the same socket, even though every other refresh Haswell except the unlocked variant is confirmed to work with Z87. :mad:
 
It's a complete scam if they don't. Anyone who bought a Z87 motherboard designed for overclocking, realised that their Haswell chip heated up to an inferno at 1.3v even on water and then saw that the refresh might have been the answer to all their problems should be royally ticked off if they are now expected to fork out on an unnecessary new chipset with the same socket, even though every other refresh Haswell except the unlocked variant is confirmed to work with Z87. :mad:

I have what I think to be a bloody good motherboard (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-434-GI&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=2574) and although a 4770k would work well, I have a full water setup that would be pretty much useless unless I de-lid which is something I don't want to do.

Yes a 4770k would serve me well and i'll probably end up having to get one if the refresh K stuff doesn't work but it's rather annoying to say the least.
 
I have what I think to be a bloody good motherboard (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-434-GI&groupid=701&catid=5&subcat=2574) and although a 4770k would work well, I have a full water setup that would be pretty much useless unless I de-lid which is something I don't want to do.

Yes a 4770k would serve me well and i'll probably end up having to get one if the refresh K stuff doesn't work but it's rather annoying to say the least.

There was a PC per vid not long ago with JJ from Asus where they said you need z97 for Devils canyon to be supported.

Watch this video from 9 minutes 40 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8WgPAxC_XA&list=UUtKh7t3br1obEQL6EyiAq0w
 
I was hoping the 4790K would get too 5ghz at a good voltage and be a 24/7 stable overclock. But going by what we vaguely know it probably wont happen.
I aint really bothered as 4.4Ghz is nothing to be sniffed at. So maybe we could get it at 4.7-4.8Ghz which I think is a great clock speed to be at.
 
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