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Abz said:
I dont quite follow? stoning is a punishment. I think its a great law
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ok sorry I'm out, If you think torturing a women to death for playing away is "great" I think you've answered your own question on why people here hate Muslims.
 
HEADRAT said:
They should be stoned or put to death then, right?

Or can they "cop out" as they live under the blanket of UK law!

Are they even "Muslims" at all but people that like to bleat how they would love to live in a Sharia paradise but in real terms would **** their pants!
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lol no, stoning is only for commiting adultery, not for driking etc.

Within time they will learn its wrong and God will forgive them
 
Dolph said:
Russell's teapot primarily revolves around the idea that it's down to the proposer, not the skeptic, to provide evidence. In other words, it backs up the idea of logical positivism being appropriate (ie absence of evidence is evidence of absence).

This is designed to suggest that the default status of any untested or untestable hypothesis is that it's false, which isn't very scientific. A better stance is that if a hypothesis is unknown, the results, in most contexts, is that the status is irrelevant.

The problem is that in order to be able to test of a diety, you have to first develop a testable hypothesis, if you can't do that, you can't use the scientific process to evaluate the status of the hypothesis.
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I was trying to suggest, perhaps I should have been more clear, that neither you nor are influenced by Russell's teapot so whether or not it exists is irrelevant. If it were made law that everyday at 3:30 everybody had to worship the pot then we would think it unreasonable since in all probability it doesn't exist. I see very little difference between God and the teapot.

Out of interest why did you quote my final sentence?

semi-pro waster said:
Would you believe I'm actually a vegetarian as well so the banning of pork would make no odds to me.
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DAMN YOU!!! ;)

semi-pro waster said:
But to attempt to answer your question, I'd always try to respect peoples beliefs except where I consider they impinge unnecessarily on my life. The problem comes in defining what is unnecessary, I personally could live without pork (or X foodstuff in its place) and if there was no one locally I could source it from then I have no options about their faith influencing my life to a degree. I could move country to somewhere that I do have more freedom to eat what I like though.

For what it matters I think legislation based on religious beliefs is almost invariably a bad idea, on the occasions where religious beliefs and law coincide (thou shalt not kill/steal sort of thing) and make sense then it is usually because the religious idea has come from a basis of encouraging social cohesion which is mostly common sense and arguably would have come to the fore in any society that lasted more than a few generations.
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So in the first paragraph you would accept that foodstuff X is no longer available because of somebody's faith in a particular view point but in the second paragraph encourage the use of legislation based on social responsibility?

I'm not being deliberately argumentative or intolerant, I believe that we should run this country as if God doesn't exist and decisions regarding law and order should be made using logical reasoning, intelligent debate and humility.....basically common sense! ;) If you believe a God or Gods exist and you wish to live your life by the rules associated with that God than I am more than willing for you to do so. If you wish to receive special treatment from the state because of those beliefs then I'm afraid you're out of luck. This isn't intolerance, its treating everyone as equals regardless of their faith.
 
Abz said:
lol no Bun, the point of this was to find out why people hate Islam, and I came to this conclusion:

1. People in Islamic countries are not doing themselves justice by spoiling the name of Islam
2. The media just twists and turns stuff as it likes
3. People in the western countries believe what they see on TV and are not educated enough to know the difference between what is right Islam law and what is wrong that the people around the world is following.
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That could almost be a flow chart. I very much agree with it.
 
Abz said:
For the past few months (or maybe years) everytime there is a thread relating to Islam all I see is hate messages or messages against Islam.

Can someone explain to me why you guys Hate Islam so much...

I know with all the bad think some so called muslims are doing around the world, but does that give reason to hate the religon and the people who follow it.

I even seen comments by Senior OCUK memebers that really shock me! So ok freedom of speech but there are limits?!
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If the members of any other religion were regularly slaughtering innocent people in acts of terrorism, ruling over infamously corrupt nations, calling for the murder of Danish cartoonists, yelling "Bomb, bomb UK" on the streets of London and rioting violently on the slightest pretext, I can assure you that the people on this forum would be equally outspoken against that religion and its followers.

To date, Islam is the only religion that fits this description.

Islam is also known to be the state religion of certain nations which are notorious for committing some of the worst human rights abuses in the entire world. This grates upon those of us who subscribe Western values; for, strange as it may seem, we perceive a moral contradiction here.

You may feel differently.
 
Tefal said:
ok sorry I'm out, If you think torturing a women to death for playing away is "great" I think you've answered your own question on why people here hate Muslims.
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I didnt say torture :rolleyes:

stoning is not torture, if you gonna comit adultery
 
Abz said:
lol no, stoning is only for commiting adultery, not for driking etc.

Within time they will learn its wrong and God will forgive them
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40 lashes then, surely they should be punished for disobeying their religion, they know it's wrong unless they don't really care!

Abz said:
stoning is not torture
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No it's worse, torture means you get to live, stoning is usually to death!

You honetly think a just punishment for one person having sex with another while married is stoning, that is very scary IMHO
 
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Abz said:
lol no Bun, the point of this was to find out why people hate Islam, and I came to this conclusion:

1. People in Islamic countries are not doing themselves justice by spoiling the name of Islam
2. The media just twists and turns stuff as it likes
3. People in the western countries believe what they see on TV and are not educated enough to know the difference between what is right Islam law and what is wrong that the people around the world is following.
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I would be greatly obliged if you could substantiate this argument with factual evidence.

Particularly for the last two points.
 
Abz said:
I didnt say torture :rolleyes:

stoning is not torture, if you gonna comit adultery
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slowly beating someone to death, with stones (stones chosen to be small enough not to kill quickly, and large enough to cause damage) comes under the heading of torture.
 
extremists from all religions are dangerous, not just muslim extremists. its just that in terms of amount of extremist-followers, islam has the most at the moment. (examples: riots of extremists over the slightest "insult to islam" thing such as the cartoons, and that countries like saudi arabia have laws which resemble laws from hundreds of years ago)
 
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MTA99 said:
I was trying to suggest, perhaps I should have been more clear, that neither you nor are influenced by Russell's teapot so whether or not it exists is irrelevant. If it were made law that everyday at 3:30 everybody had to worship the pot then we would think it unreasonable since in all probability it doesn't exist. I see very little difference between God and the teapot.

Out of interest why did you quote my final sentence?
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Because I was going to say something, changed my mind and forgot to do remove the quote.

With regards to the irrelevancy argument, on many levels I agree with you, certainly regarding lawmaking. I treat the existance or non-existance of the vast majority of religious deities as irrelevant, and even those I do not hold no relevance beyond myself, so for any discussion involving others, they are largely irrelevant.
 
@if ®afiq said:
Well why not see if you can challenge that and maybe have dedicated pork shops in areas that want pork meat, via petitions/protests etc?
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That's the best bit about living in a (mostly) secular society, we can discuss (protest against) decisions. If God decides that a particular meat isn't for human consumption then who are we to argue?
 
Evangelion said:
If the members of any other religion were regularly slaughtering innocent people in acts of terrorism, ruling over infamously corrupt nations, calling for the murder of Danish cartoonists, yelling "Bomb, bomb UK" on the streets of London and rioting violently on the slightest pretext, I can assure you that the people on this forum would be equally outspoken against that religion and its followers.

To date, Islam is the only religion that fits this description.
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Yes I agree this is wrong 100% because this is not Islamic behavior, A muslim should not behave this way.


Islam is also known to be the state religion of certain nations which are notorious for committing some of the worst human rights abuses in the entire world. This grates upon those of us who subscribe Western values; for, strange as it may seem, we perceive a moral contradiction here.

You may feel differently.
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Not entirely true, 100 years ago westerners used to burn women because they say they where witches, importing slaves, murders, deceptions, betrayal among royalties, trickery and theft of others natural resources.

The point is we are no angels, but not the worse humen rights record. We just have crackheads for leaders who do as they please. The Islam at the prophets time is not the same Islam as you see now
 
Abz said:
lol no Bun, the point of this was to find out why people hate Islam, and I came to this conclusion:

1. People in Islamic countries are not doing themselves justice by spoiling the name of Islam
2. The media just twists and turns stuff as it likes
3. People in the western countries believe what they see on TV and are not educated enough to know the difference between what is right Islam law and what is wrong that the people around the world is following.
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And you sir have just tried to turn this thread around because it did not go the way you wanted it to. People in the west are educated enough although there are exceptions the general rule is we know the difference between right and wrong without laws designed for a different age by religious zolots to guide us.
 
Lysander said:
Yes, indeed, it's the Muslims who everyone love to hate at the moment. It really is awful. I find peoples' attitudes in the UK more scary than the Muslims'.
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well it seams our very own moderate Muslim here, thinks a painful death is appropriate for adultery, so its not just the extremists.
 
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