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[Abz]

But adultery is no joke, how would you feel like it if your wife (God forbid) cheats on you. when a man marries a women or vise versa it should be for ever, not till he/she gets bored. Besides I said I agree with it.

Most countries dont perform stoning anymore

Adultery break up family and distroys all morals. What will happen to children when familes break up. Perents cant be arsed any more and they end up in the streets

 

[Hunders]

I don't have a hatred for all Muslims or for Islam, they can chose to live their lives however they bloody well like.

I have two friends who are Muslim, one is from Iran and the other I'm not sure about but both are very nice people, possibly two of the nicest people I have ever met. One of them follows Islam quite precisely where as the other is very 'westernised', he likes to drink and gamble and I have even known him to smoke weed. I think he is more like the people who claim they are Christian because they were baptised yet aren't religious in the slightest.

I really have quite a strong hate for those 'extremist Islamists', though. I hate the fact that they try to impose their oh so lovely views on us. This country has been kind to them by letting them in here but they still moan because certain things aren't what they want it to be like, which is downright disrespectful. They can't hate it here that much or else they would have left long ago.

Ta.

 

[Johnnytoxic]

The problem with Islam is that there are lots of variations and your all getting tarred under the same brush.

You should rename the proper following of islam to another name Just so us westerers are not confused. At the moment people are to ignorant to know there are many different versions of Islam law.

With the cartoons saga....

What gives some muslims the right to dictate what christians are allowed to see ??? Why can they tell us we are not allowed to see a picture of mohammed? It says nothing about that in my religion so why are they not respecting that?

 

[HEADRAT]

Why does that matter?

Because it means their moral compass is completly screwed up, most of us don't break the law because our own morals mean that we wouldn't, not the law that it there to punish us if we do!

But adultery is no joke, how would you feel like it if your wife (God forbid) cheats on you

Sure it ain't a bowl of cherries but I wouldn't want her stoned to death, what happens to her children if she does!

HEADRAT

 

[Tefal]

But adultery is no joke, how would you feel like it if your wife (God forbid) cheats on you. when a man marries a women or vise versa it should be for ever, not till he/she gets bored. Besides I said I agree with it.

Most countries dont perform stoning anymore

I'd be ****** sure, and would make damn sure i got any kids/mutual assets, but i wouldn't wan her put to death, as I would still in all likely hood lover her, and as such not want to see her brutally murdered.

edit: I think the kids will be more ****e off at their dad having their mother murdered tbh.

Adultery break up family and distroys all morals. What will happen to children when familes break up. Perents cant be arsed any more and they end up in the streets

Plenty of people on here and people i know IRL have had parents split up, all perfectly fine, many of them them here in uni, with 2 loving parents still.

Not everyone just goes right that it kids your mums left me pack your bags and **** off i don't love you any more,

No swearing

Gilly

 

[Hunders]

But adultery is no joke, how would you feel like it if your wife (God forbid) cheats on you. when a man marries a women or vise versa it should be for ever, not till he/she gets bored. Besides I said I agree with it.

They have the freedom to do what the hell they like, and that is why is country is so great.

 

[Abz]

I don't have a hatred for all Muslims or for Islam, they can chose to live their lives however they bloody well like.

I have two friends who are Muslim, one is from Iran and the other I'm not sure about but both are very nice people, possibly two of the nicest people I have ever met. One of them follows Islam quite precisely where as the other is very 'westernised', he likes to drink and gamble and I have even known him to smoke weed. I think he is more like the people who claim they are Christian because they were baptised yet aren't religious in the slightest.

I really have quite a strong hate for those 'extremist Islamists', though. I hate the fact that they try to impose their oh so lovely views on us. This country has been kind to them by letting them in here but they still moan because certain things aren't what they want it to be like, which is downright disrespectful. They can't hate it here that much or else they would have left long ago.

Ta.

Thank you well said

 

[Lysander]

Because it means their moral compass is completly screwed up, most of us don't break the law because our own morals mean that we wouldn't, not the law that it there to punish us if we do!

Morality is relative. Over here it's immoral, over there it isn't. I don't see why what they do over there should bother us over here.

 

[HEADRAT]

Most countries dont perform stoning anymore

But for those that do are they:-

1. Misguided and interpreting the Quran incorrectly
2. Upholding the real ideals of the Quran

should they be vilified or supported?

 

[semi-pro waster]

So in the first paragraph you would accept that foodstuff X is no longer available because of somebody's faith in a particular view point but in the second paragraph encourage the use of legislation based on social responsibility?

First paragraph is me being pragmatic, if I've moved to a country where foodstuff X is not available for reasons of a "lack of demand" (caused by religion or whatever) then I'd have to accept it, the options there are minimal for me. Second paragraph is me expounding my views on laws based on religion that aren't simply founded on what you might call common sense - with very few exceptions they are useless at best and at worst are downright harmful. For instance if thou shalt not worship graven images became law then it would be useless (certainly to me and I suspect to most people) because it doesn't improve society in any tangible way - contrast that with thou shalt not steal, both (or very similar) are in the Ten Commandments but the second one would aid social cohesion by encouraging respect for one anothers property and is essentially just a rule that would come about via logic. If you want a stable society you do not encourage behaviours that threaten it, which lack of respect for property/life etc would do.

I'm not being deliberately argumentative or intolerant, I believe that we should run this country as if God doesn't exist and decisions regarding law and order should be made using logical reasoning, intelligent debate and humility.....basically common sense! If you believe a God or Gods exist and you wish to live your life by the rules associated with that God than I am more than willing for you to do so. If you wish to receive special treatment from the state because of those beliefs then I'm afraid you're out of luck. This isn't intolerance, its treating everyone as equals regardless of their faith.

I do agree, I might choose to phrase it slightly differently but essentially you should be free to believe what you like and behave in any way you choose provided you are not hurting anyone else by doing so.

 

[Abz]

But for those that do are they:-

1. Misguided and Interpreting the Quran incorrectly
2. Upholding the real ideals of the Quran

should the be vilified or supported?

Am not in the position to comment. Its way past my understanding

 

[HEADRAT]

Well for me that is a complete cop out, you seem to believe that stoning is a just punishment for adultery so I would say you would be leaning towards number 2.

 

[@if ®afiq]

That's the best bit about living in a (mostly) secular society, we can discuss (protest against) decisions. If God decides that a particular meat isn't for human consumption then who are we to argue?

Yes, but why should those that don't believe in the same God be not allowed to eat and drink as they will? The consumption of pork is haram for a Muslim only, non-Muslim's can have a sausage fest whenevr they want.

 

[colinuk]

I dont hate Islam, i dont even know the guy. I dont like being told not to eat bacon as it upsets someone else, for a reason, that in many peoples mind just doesnt add up.

From what i can see, we are all made of the same stuff, one the same world, doing the same things.

Take this 'my god is bigger than your god' crap out and what are we left with... an excuse to fight each other. If we didnt fight over this, we would soon have something else to fight over... Its what humans as a race are very good at, so it seems.

From what i understand of islam, and i may well be completely wrong [like my spelling] but you are on this earth to suffer, to have nothing, to be misarable, to endure what you can as when you die you get X amount of virgins and live in paradise.....

Hmmmmmm.... care to prove it to me? No, all faith is it? if its so much faith, why dont all muslims follow it to the letter, stop killing each other, stop finding excuses to keep certain sections of your own kind down by not allowing education, health, schooling ect and let them live how they wish. Are you that scared they may choose the western way you wont even let them pick for themselfs? To me, if some one like me, not a very well educated guy, but ive travelled around the world a few times and spoken to many 'wise men' and made my own mind up, can shake the foundations of your faith so badly that im not allowed to ask, i have just obey what the elders say, well.... not for me.

Why do people hate Islam, we dont hate it, we just dont want it rammed down our throats with the implication if we dont accept it we are racist or insulting you and therefore you have the right to kill us.

Ever thought that a all knowing, all being god doesnt want you to blindly follow rules that he never made in *** 1st place, he/she gave you a brain, eyes, mouth, ears and legs to move around, learn, ask, teach yourselfs.... that infact you are meant to QUESTION, to improve yourselfs and to come to the understanding of a god in your own way.

Or is that just me?

I dont hate you, i dont love you either, but i do question someone who is willing to sacrafice a gift of life for something that may or maynot happen when your body dies.

That to me is greed.

Hope this comes across ok and no, i dont follow a religion or a god, but i do try to be nice to people, help out others when i can and look out for my mates and learn new experiances.

<ColiN> - Jedi Knight

 

[Abz]

I'd be ****** sure, and would make damn sure i got any kids/mutual assets, but i wouldn't wan her put to death, as I would still in all likely hood lover her, and as such not want to see her brutally murdered.

edit: I think the kids will be more ****e off at their dad having their mother murdered tbh.



Plenty of people on here and people i know IRL have had parents split up, all perfectly fine, many of them them here in uni, with 2 loving parents still.

Not everyone just goes right that it kids your mums left me pack your bags and **** off i don't love you any more,

Adultery is so common in this country, thats why people such as yourself see it being kinda normal. But on Islamic countries where its rare and from day 1 strong and brutal punishment was introduced.

 

[Sankari]

Yes I agree this is wrong 100% because this is not Islamic behavior, A muslim should not behave this way.

The problem is that so many of them do behave this way, despite being Muslims. This does not instil confidence in the benefits of Islam and its power to reform human behaviour.

Not entirely true, 100 years ago westerners used to burn women because they say they where witches, importing slaves, murders, deceptions, betrayal among royalties, trickery and theft of others natural resources.

Irrelevant.

Firstly, I am talking about modern Western values; not the way people behaved centuries ago. Secondly, the witchburnings are more than 100 years old, as is slavery. Thirdly, "deceptions, betrayal among royalties, trickery and theft of others natural resources" are all prohibited by Western law, so the fact that they continue to occur is irrelevant; what is relevant is that the West considers them unacceptable.

By contrast, Islamic nations permit torture, violence against women, religious oppression, and the suppression of free speech. These cannot be simply blamed upon "crackhead leaders"; they are openly permitted under Sharia law.

The point is we are no angels, but not the worse humen rights record. We just have crackheads for leaders who do as they please.

I beg to differ. Islamic countries currently have a record for human rights abuse that is only rivalled by the totalitarian regimes in Burma, China and North Korea.

The Islam at the prophets time is not the same Islam as you see now

That is certainly true to an extent. However, the Islam of today is no more praiseworthy than its ancient roots.

Did you know that in Jordan, honour killings are permitted by law?

Part of article 340 of the Penal Code states that "he who discovers his wife or one of his female relatives committing adultery and kills, wounds, or injures one of them, is exempted from any penalty." This has twice been put forward for cancellation by the government, but was retained by the Lower House of the Parliament.
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Wikipedia.

Examples could be multiplied.

 

[MTA99]

Because I was going to say something, changed my mind and forgot to do remove the quote.

With regards to the irrelevancy argument, on many levels I agree with you, certainly regarding lawmaking. I treat the existance or non-existance of the vast majority of religious deities as irrelevant, and even those I do not hold no relevance beyond myself, so for any discussion involving others, they are largely irrelevant.

I see your position and I like it (oo er). Do you have a newsletter I could subscribe to?

I mentioned the views of my parents to perhaps illustrate that my upbringing allowed me to see both sides of the argument. I've been to the religious gatherings where people have been "possessed" by the Holy Spirit and there is a mass out-pouring of emotion. I'll admit as a youngster I was influenced by that emotion. But while some people take that as proof that God exists I felt the same thing watching Ricky Hatton knock 7 bells out of several opponents or sitting at Old Trafford watching Andy Cole score from 30 odd yards

 

[colinuk]

But adultery is no joke, how would you feel like it if your wife (God forbid) cheats on you. when a man marries a women or vise versa it should be for ever, not till he/she gets bored. Besides I said I agree with it.

Adultery break up family and distroys all morals. What will happen to children when familes break up. Perents cant be arsed any more and they end up in the streets

Errrr... forgiveness? Maybe look into the reason why it happened and work it out like men instead of using a cover to vent your anger?

Or dont Muslims practise Forgivness any more?

<ColiN> - PS - good topic OP.

 

[Abz]

die you get X amount of virgins and live in paradise.....


<ColiN> - Jedi Knight

Thats never true. Some people got brain washed to believe that so they go commit soucide

Errrr... forgiveness? Maybe look into the reason why it happened and work it out like men instead of using a cover to vent your anger?

Or dont Muslims practise Forgivness any more?

They do but like I said from day 1 it was brought so people dont do it. Which they dont or very rarly

 

[Mr.Clark]

Every Muslim I've ever met picks and chooses which parts of their religion to follow.

It's not just muslims - people of every religion cherry pick the bits they want to follow from their religion.

You don't catch many christians calling for people who work on the sabbeth to be put to death, do you?

Or children who insult their parents being executed? Again, not any more.

But adultery is no joke, how would you feel like it if your wife (God forbid) cheats on you. when a man marries a women or vise versa it should be for ever, not till he/she gets bored. Besides I said I agree with it.

Most countries dont perform stoning anymore

Adultery break up family and distroys all morals. What will happen to children when familes break up. Perents cant be arsed any more and they end up in the streets

So you think they should die for that?

This is why people think that muslims are still living in the middle ages. Come back when you've had 500 more years of learning to get along with other cultures.