have you owned an XJR before?

If you only have £3k to spend then you probably can't afford to run something like an XJR. If you can afford to run an XJR then spend more than £3k on a really nice one.

If you can't go more than £3k and really want a Jag, look at an XJ6 instead.
 
[TW]Fox;21323727 said:
If you only have £3k to spend then you probably can't afford to run something like an XJR. If you can afford to run an XJR then spend more than £3k on a really nice one.

If you can't go more than £3k and really want a Jag, look at an XJ6 instead.

In fairness he said up to £3k. This is just for the car I would assume. Would be silly otherwise.
 
Well thats my point - if you have a £3k budget then something like an XJR probably isnt a good place to put it. They are big money cars to run, if you've got that kinda cash you can afford to spend more than £3k on it and get a nice one.
 
lol, I know where you're coming from but i can afford to run it. Ive had my Lexus for nearly 5 years. MPG and servicing are roughly the same looking at facts and figures. I just dont believe in spending thousands on a car to loose a lot of money.

I have another car which i use daily to commute to work in and tend to use my Lexus at weekends of on holidays for a bit of fun. which is what i intend to do with a Jaguar. The old XJ6 would probably do less MPG that the later V8 models! surely??
 
If you only managed 23mpg from an IS200 then expect 15-16 from an XJR. It's not so much servicing thats the issue, more the repairs when it goes wrong. You are looking at a 12+ year old high performance car from a time when Jaguar was neither the last word in quality nor reliability and you are coming from a Japanese manufacturer who pretty much IS the last word in reliability.

I would imagine the XJR could potentially cost thousands of pounds more to run than the IS200.

Although quite how you spend £700 a year servicing an IS200 is a bit confusing?
 
they're not reliable then?

Very true about reliablilty on the Lexus, only had to change the battery lol

If you was in my position and wanted some large, luxurious and "nippy" what would you go for on my budget?
 
Lovely cars and very quick, but an old one will have the potential to cause bankruptcy. Parts are not cheap and they consume fuel like it's going out of fashion
 
Having owned an XJ8 3.2 you will be lucky to see 8-12mpg around town, I serviced & cared for my own and did very few miles but even then, things like £80-100 for a set of plugs all add up, I can only see an "R" being more expensive again. Few hundred quid for a wishbone ? Nearly a grand for a decent set of rubber on the larger wheels ?

They might be cheap, but these things should come with a "Serious Jag Loving Enthusiast with several grand in the bank, full set of workshop quality tools & free weekends forever" warning sticker, trust me - I have been there and done it, and its still working out cheaper to run a heavily modified Jap wagon!

Mind you, I do miss it -
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Edit: Personally, this is the cheapest I would go, and even then I would expect it to be hiding something - its not often a good one comes up at this price (if ever)... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JAGUAR-4-...4359744?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item4843284c40
 
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I wouldn't touch an old Jaggg with a barge pole but I've always fancied an old Lexus & have seen some with Moon mileage.
Comparing a Jagggg with a Lexus is like comparing a disposable lighter to a Gen Zippo.
 
My dad's had a couple of XJRs of that sort of era, i think 'money pit' probably succinctly describes them from a financial point of view.

Certainly not a car to look at from a 'cheap bit of fun' perspective.
 
Having owned both a GS300, and a few jags and other big saloons (currently have an XK8 in my stable among few others) I would say that any of these cars are a financial risk, depends a lot on luck with older cars, for example I had a mint 1 prev owner GS300, always serviced at lexus and with much spent on it from new, which was fine for a year or so, until a period of two months where it stung me for almost the value of the car (cambelt, front suspension rebuild, alternator, PAS pump, central locking failure, ABS/VSC Pump), whereas my current XK8 has been faultless so far (bar needing a small trans fluid top up, and centre console bulb)

Regardless of what you buy in this segment, buy carefully, look for cherished low owner cars, and be prepared to sink money in to maintenance (ideally of the preventative kind) One thing to watch about lexus especially, is that due to the relative rarity of the cars, many of the electronic components, or even suspension components etc are difficult and expensive to obtain, far more so in my experience than an E39 for example.

With regards to 8 cyl XJR, make sure timing chain tensioners have been changed for revised metal items, and thoroughly test the autobox especially from a standing start, as well as testing all electrics etc.
 
lol, I know where you're coming from but i can afford to run it. Ive had my Lexus for nearly 5 years. MPG and servicing are roughly the same looking at facts and figures. I just dont believe in spending thousands on a car to loose a lot of money.

I have another car which i use daily to commute to work in and tend to use my Lexus at weekends of on holidays for a bit of fun. which is what i intend to do with a Jaguar. The old XJ6 would probably do less MPG that the later V8 models! surely??
for a start the pads on XJR cost around 3/4 times more then the pads in the lexus depending on were you source parts from.
 
The old X308 XJR's aren't unreliable per say, but they are old now, and thus wear a tear will be a major cost factor in owing such a car. They drink fuel like a V12 more than a V8, average fuel consumption seems to be around 17mpg or so for them, less if you have a heavy right foot. They also chew through rear tyres fairly quickly, no surprise given they are heavy and have 400bhp and 400lbs/ft of torque. They do tend to have less expensive failure points than X350s with regards to the ancillaries, no air suspension for one thing and a far less complex electrical system. But they are by no means cheap to run.

I notice you said you wanted a nice big comfy car that's nippy, well to be honest an XJR is rather a few steps further than nippy, a MK5 Golf GTI is 'nippy' ...even quick, an XJR is very, very quick in a straight line. It's got 400bhp remember, or 390bhp if you get the slightly older version. It's seriously quick and that sort of power does not come cheap, having said that there are many cars that cost more to run and don't have the Jags brute force power.

The most reliable and cost effective way to get into big Jags now would probably be an X308 3.2 V8 ...still quick enough for most and very smooth with a lovely V8 sound. But, you will see more like 22-23mpg average, the tyres will be cheaper as it will likely have smaller wheels (not necessarily though) brakes are cheaper, and it wont chew through it's rear tyres as fast either in all likelihood, insurance is also cheaper. All in all cheaper to run, all be it still not at all 'cheap' though. Finding a good XJR from that era can be an issue now too, there are quite a lot of 3.2 V8s around though, the 4.2 N/A V8s are where I would put my money but they are hard to find as well, still if you can they have about the same running costs as the 3.2.

The XJR is a slightly different beast to the normal V8s though, has a lot of XJR only parts on it and quite frankly is more likely to have had the nuts driven off it at some point.

I think they are fantastic cars, I like the X308 better than the X350 is many ways (not all ways though) but they are old Jags and you have to realise what that could mean. Don't expect them to tick like a Mazda and stay cheap and cheerful forever. Chances are you will find most of the ones available for sale now have all sorts of stuff that's worn out or near to it and needs sorting to make the car drive like it is supposed to.

If you fully understand what you could be letting yourself in for though, there are far worse cars of this type to buy into, frankly they cost less to run than old V8 BMW's typically do and certainly less than similar Mercedes and less than Lexus too working on the assumption that you will have to replace parts on any of these. The Lexus might be the least likely to throw curve balls but even an LS400 is still an old luxury car, and bits wear out on those too and they typically cost more than Jag parts. Also, it's ruddy ugly compared to the lovely Jag :)
 
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