Having to run apps as admin to function in Windows 8

[ChrisD.]

If I'm in a game, I need to run TS, my G15 program and other bits and bobs as admin, as otherwise they don't work. Is there a workaround? Pretty annoying.

 

[ChrisD.]

UAC is off. The apps work running as normal, but for example PTT doesn't work in TS and my media keys on the keyboard don't work.

 

[ChrisD.]

It is an admin. Apps don't run with admin priveledges unless you tell them to.

 

[ChrisD.]

UAC is off.

TS PTT doesn't work when a game is maximised.

If I run it as admin it does.

I don't belive apps run as admin if UAC is off tbh.

 

[ChrisD.]

I still think you have to specify to run as administrator, all it means is that apps can make changes. Insecure or not, I've had it disabled since Vista came out and have never had a problem.

Either way, it's not solving my issue.

 

[ChrisD.]

High integrety is not running as administrator.

 

[ChrisD.]

It's still not running as admin, so I'm no sure what you're getting at. It just means if the applications requests to run as admin it bypasses the UAC pop up and does it automatically. That isn't running as admin. :/

Anyway, anyone got any ideas about my issue?

 

[ChrisD.]

Put UAC back on and wait on an update from TS or at least some official guidance. Turning UAC off seems daft tbh.

At least give post 11 a short, probably will work.

Why is having UAC off daft? It's personal preference, I dislike the constant pop ups and know what I am doing so simply turn it off.

You need to run the TS/G15 stuff at the same elevation level as your game.

You shouldn't need fiddle with .exe properties or shortcuts and force them to run as admin. This includes your games and/or Steam.

My thought exactly, it should all just run fine without changing anything.

Some apps these days expect UAC to be on and malfunction when it isn't.

So why does it work for some in this thread and not others? And why did I have no issues with Windows 7? Has something changed?

 

[ChrisD.]

Because you're allowing hackers another attack vector.

Of course, silly me. Not used it since it came out with Vista and I'm not interested in using it now. Never had an issue and I doubt I ever will from a security POV.

 

[ChrisD.]

Giving every single process full access to the operating system makes total sense!

But it's not as simple as that, even the links you post explain this.

Spoken like a true noob.

Less of the insults please.

 

[ChrisD.]

I know this and I'm not contesting it, what I'm saying is that applications do not run as administrator when UAC is off. They can request to, but when launched, unless they sepcifically ask for it, they don't run as admin.

 

[ChrisD.]

Herp derp.

 

[ChrisD.]

Burnsey, I don't care!

I didn't ask about the potential vulnerabilities about turning UAC off, I asked how to fix my problem and why it's doing it. Running TS3 as admin solves it, but it's the exact resolution I'm seeking.

 

[ChrisD.]

Did you not read the thread title, or my issue? I don't want to have to run it as admin. Is that simple enough?

 

[ChrisD.]

If you have User Account Control disabled and some of the processes which you run need administrative rights to function (rightly or wrongly), due to the changes which have been made to Windows 8 in terms of the integrity level processes run at, I'm afraid there isn't a lot that you can do.

The program's which require administrative rights to function, you will either have too right click on the application and click on the 'Run as administrator' option every time you want to run it, or open up the properties window for those specific applications which are causing you issues and check the 'Run this program as an administrator' option, like Hyperst mentioned in his post here. This being the most convenient option for you, obviously.

If you have UAC enabled, and run the applications which prompted you to make this thread, does the elevation dialog appear? Or do you still have to do one of the two things mentioned above?

Yes it appears, it also does with SWTOR, so I will contact them, it's as per the previous page where they have to have the same run level I guess.

So you want to fix it, you know it needs admin privileges, yet you don't apply the fix and want us to tell you what's wrong with your system.

On a more serious note, at the install of windows 8 it ask's for some help setting it up or you can go with what's recommended, did you go with whats recommended or did you do it your self, I ask because I went with the defaults that windows 8 chose for me and my TS3 works fine so far.

I can't remember mate, I think I just went with the default options and changed all the under the bonnet stuff afterwards.

As for wanting to fix it, it clearly works on other PCs running as a normall process, so something is clearly different on my PC. As above, if I put on UAC, it requests admin elevation. However, as does SWTOR so I may go an 'rant' on their forum.

Silly question, but have you actually contacted the developers of TS3? Seems to me they're the ones you should be ranting to.

I'm not ranting mate, just disappointed that people tell me how to use my computer when I couldn't care less. I may send them an email, cheers.

 

[ChrisD.]

No, I did a fresh install of the OS.

 

[ChrisD.]

Because those applications are actually requesting administrative rights, there is one last thing which you could try. If you enable User Account Control and then open up the Group Policy editor. Under Computer Configuration, if you double click 'Windows settings' followed by 'Security Settings'. Now click on 'Local Policies' and then 'Security Options'.

On the right hand side of the group policy editor, if you scroll to the bottom and find the option 'User Account Control: Behavior of the elevation prompt for administrators in Admin Approval Mode' (3rd option down in the cluster of the User Account Control settings) and then double click. In the drop down box, select the 'Elevate without prompting' option.

In Windows 8, this is essentially the same as if UAC had been disabled, (ignoring the other aspects of UAC obviously). Though, in your situation, this may negate the need to have to do one of the two things mentioned in my previous post, and as other people have mentioned in the thread as well.

Give it a go. It may work.

Cheers, I see what this does, but again it's a bit of a work around rather than a solution I feel.

What I don't understand is why TS3 and SWTOR require elevation in the first place? Clearly it can't be the case on everyone's PC as otherwise forums would be full of folk complaining.

No, I meant from the TS3, did you save anything like identities and such stuff and use in your new install of TS3

Nothing, completely fresh install.

 

[ChrisD.]

I remember when i used to play TERA that game used to run as Admin as a result you had to run TS or Vent as admin too otherwise the Push to talk button was blocked from being read by the ventrilo program as you were full screen in tera it had priority or something like that. Guess its the same for you with SWTOR. In the end i bit the bullet and went into the compatibility mode options and told it to always run vent as administrator. I don't think they ever fixed the problem.
Sounds like you might also have to just tell it to always run TS3 as administrator automaticly.

(This was on Windows 7)

Found this on the SWTOR forums from a dev guy responding to someone with the same problem as you.

Top stuff, thanks. I was going to go search their forums tonight.

 

[ChrisD.]

You can run SWTOR in non admin mode. Someone wrote a .vbs script to do the very thing. I can probably dig it out if you really need it. A search about 'swtorsteam' may uncover it via google.

Thanks. Points to door dev team then?